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A few Theories

Posted Dec. 6, 2010 by Baronsen in Open

commented on Feb. 5, 2011
by frequencytuner

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There are many of my friends that are very interested and are practicing awakeness, I find that it is usually people that have come from not so pleasant upbringings that seek understanding, I think Consciousness/Awakeness is totally the main goal, No doubt about it but I think there are hindrances that need to be cleared up before you encounter the full bliss and philology helps, You may fall into Consciousness for a slight moment and feel that you have the ability to easier forgive, but brushing past aside usually puts hindrances on hold.

I have a theory, which goes if the wisest man in the world wrote the book on life and I mean “The Book on life” and he finished it on his deathbed and before he went he gave it to a child and said this is the book on life and if you read it you would know everything, now the child may be able to read it in a good few weeks or month but the child had to experience through life what the wise man wrote to understand it, so the child who is now grown old and is on his deathbed might turn around and say now I understand what the wise man meant.

Another of my Theories
(The theory of a persons life, is what has been installed in them during its early stages of there life, from how they react, behave and communicate etc. during there life. So therefore the surroundings and teachers are the deciding factor in how a persons life will develop. This is not a new discovery, but a vital ingredient in my theory.
Thankful this can be altered.
People seek attention as a fuel, in order to progress as an acceptance to them, so we can create a theory saying, that a person do not trust there own judgments, until they have being verified by others, to create trust in themselves. People interest in power is along the same lines, an attention but now controlled and enforced in fear of a high-unknown outcome. The real fear is not against others but more unknowingly directed to themselves, it is there own reaction that they themselves fear, when confronting an obstacle that leads to the unknown outcome.
Fear what a wonderful controlled state of mind!
Self-trust or survival against herself or himself is combined with a persons learning of limitation in confronting the unknown, taking that change, in order to become more aware of there own power, which is an ongoing conflict.
Emotions and feelings are also a deciding factor to the way a person reacts and has a very close relationship with fear
Happiness is sometimes misunderstood, as being in a happy state of mind with a big smile and full of joy, I believe it has a close relationship to sadness. People are eager to be sad to get in contact with their emotions and feelings in order to be happy and content. This is where they are closest to the inner soul “the real them” and distant from there constant protected facade of a well obtained stereo type, but in the state of mind where writers, poets, musical people, artists...make genius masterpieces.
Lately I have been in much conversation upon the subject of Love! Doses it exist or is it just want, security, familiarity, and understanding...of an object or person. I guess that it is up to the gods to know? Since the never-ending debates. How come we can analyze this so easily but would kill and die for the sake off Love, maybe not so simple after all!
I have come across allot of people, removed from there emotions, claiming that Love is a state of mind that you are in total control off combined of sex, lust, companionship etc. This subject is the most exciting and important off all, it enrolls all I have written till now and more.
Lets see if we can analyze it in a way by not taking sides, starting with meeting up with your coming/becoming love, is there a master print created over the years in our brains telling Os this is what would make Os happy. Again a example of the word "Happiness" why do we date or attract the so-called wrong person, is it a physiological state of mind in wanting to go through your parents life/ordeals as a understanding in why you where brought up this or that way without receiving or getting your wanted love, or a more masochistic emotional pleasure, you tell me? Why do alarm bells go off, in the form of sweating, blushing, nervous, memory blocks...When we consciously have selected and manufactured our perfect ideal match in our head but not our reactions, are we therefore in control and aware of love. Something that annoys me is when someone says to me I think I am in love", which I consider as a wrong statement, either you know or you aren't! This is where I believe you can cut down the different states of love, pure love, the true love, the one you learn to love, constructed love, fake love and the list goes on in the way you perceive it.
Pure love is rare in this confused attention-seeking world, it is where nothing! Fear, emotion and happiness are an obstacle, "you are" full stop! Then there is the respected love for your father/mother, friends a country etc. Should we put that in the true love category? Learning to love is more an acceptance and taking onboard a new view to like; from they’re on the categories start going downhill. Not a lot of people in this life will find pure love or even true love sadly enough, either because of power, struggling to find themselves, conflicts, lifestyle...many fall in the category where they are confused if they love somebody or it is the sex that is the ruling factor, this is where they should be worried, since it is a mental state and should be approached physiological, this is where sex is the ruling factor, to find the best, to be accepted by the world, to live to the full, etc. lot of bullshit! Yes there I said it, It is the state you are in when you are confused and may never recover to find the magical formula Love which is so constantly powerful and No! I haven't found it but I am getting closer everyday and thank god not going blind, like the people that follow the trend of learning to love.)

My theories do change so I do love a good discussion

Thank you for reading

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  • frequencytuner Feb 05, 2011

    Baronses you are absolutely correct: INRI - through fire nature is reborn.

  • fishingstars Dec 31, 2010

    I feel that everything I wonder about is so much simpler than people make it difficult in explaining...
    Baronsen your right...there are absolutely NO limitations to this "learning" process...no set boundary, no set way. Its all tangled together in complete...organized...chaos, and the beauty of it all is that we get to weave through and "see" it all as we discover ourselves and our true potential...sit back, relax, enjoy the wonders unfolding around you in constant motion....in a constant harmony....I get stressed still, I still become frustrated, but with each question answered ...tha amazement and excitement that comes with it...and you can never have a bad question or enough questions...because its like your spirit guiding you through to the ultimate, to becoming...to be more---as you said (Baronsen) and that is why I love fishing stars. Beautiful Disasters if you will.

  • Baronsen Dec 30, 2010

    For humans to evolve and become awake and grasp the beginning of our true potential on a global scale Monetary systems, Scarcity...need to die away so we can become one.

  • Baronsen Dec 30, 2010

    It angers me when they write of things as if they have no importance, like they know it all and they might just as well lie down and not even bother, I have been into sports for most of my life and when I was younger personal trainers and doctors said this the way to do it and ten, twenty years later they have now "discovered" it was the wrong way, There is always a (I know it all) person which mainly turns out to be wrong, We live in a superlative extraordinary world and we haven't even started to discover it even though we have traveled the world and a bit of space, done studies on how things work, done our mathematics, but it is proven that besides what we see and our surroundings which is controlled by one unit is controlled on a more incredible unexplained scale if we can call it so of total possibilities call it Quantum mechanics, physics and we are now finding out that we have all got the influence in controlling this area by thought, being NOW, awaking etc...As the boy says in the film The Matrix,

    Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth.
    Neo: What truth?
    Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
    Neo: There is no spoon?
    Spoon boy: Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

    I guess he is saying that we change protons to be able to see an objects :)

    it is a fact that you and I don't see the same rainbow as an example or objects the same as our eyes are different colored and view everything different, we have grown up thinking and thought that blue is blue, but what if blue was red? here is another example, we where told that thunder and lightning strike from above, but the fact is that most lightning strikes the other way from earth makes a charge and is discharged upwards but most lightning charges and discharges happens within clouds but we don't see it and I can go on with facts that we only some years back believed where solid facts.

    So what am I trying to say, is we try to make facts to come to term with things, what if we in some years time come to discovered that lightning is not created in this dimension???

    I have heard so many times that people had to rewrite history as they have come to new informations and discoveries

    So we might know what chemical reactions are created within out brains to create a feeling, sensation...But here we have the clever people saying well that is it (I know it all) If Einstein didn't arrive at E=MC2 by mathematical or scientific reasoning, how did he get there? The answer is very simple...

    He made it up!

    I don't know the truth and either do you, but lets be open minded here ;)

  • frequencytuner Dec 22, 2010

    In all aspects of the physical world, the entire self must be considered to truly create an accurate picture. Regarding the word "love", let us delve within the human being to uncover it's mysteries. First, on a physical level, love can manifest in an endless multitude of ways: petting a dog, watching the sunrise, playing soccer, walking through the woods, erotic sex, cooking, woodworking, painting, music, dancing, singing, running, driving, martial arts, fishing, star gazing, meditating, smoking marijuana, skydiving, joyriding, armed combat, chess, World of Warcraft, punishing a child, abusing a woman, destroying things, starting trouble, getting into trouble, breaking the law, protesting, rioting...

    Now the aforementioned physical acts vary from one extreme to the other, yet there is a common thread: it feels good. There is something inside the human being that has an emotional attachment to the feeling that the act gives. Is this love we are speaking about? I will lean more toward passion than love with this because love does not always feel 'good'.

    The key word here is 'feel', which takes us one level deeper into the feeling or emotional body of human beings. In order to discuss this properly, we must also include the thinking mental body as well. These two bodies work in conjunction with each other like the yin and yang energies of chi. Every human being, at this level as well as the physical, is unique in the way they operate. Some will regard thought over emotions and act upon logic while others impulsively react to an ever flowing myriad of emotions, acting on reason. The variations are endless. This is logic and reason.

    So where does 'love' fit into this body? Love is not an emotion, nor is it a thought. Here we find basic human instincts like compassion and patience and 'love's' apparent polar opposition, what some call fear. Fear can originate as either a thought or emotion as it is a basic instinctive mechanism of a human system. However, because love is not of the same body, they are not true opposites. This is compassion and fear.

    Now we go deeper yet into the human being and encounter another yin-yang pair of bodies. Both of these bodies are referred to as the 'self', yet they are absolute opposites. From this body, where one derives the sense of 'self' from, lies every hope, dream, fear, aspiration, memory, habit forming behavior/thought and emotional patterns and the personality...among other things. This is the storehouse of information that one draws upon in every waking moment that determines how one will think, feel, act and react to the world outside and the world inside. These are the voices in your head, the feelings in your gut and the ebb and flow of your every waking moment.

  • frequencytuner Dec 22, 2010

    This is the womb of 'love'. It is not the seed, just the womb. 'Love's' opposite cannot be named for the exact reason 'love' cannot be defined. The most accurate analogy to understand this will be to re-term 'love' and call it 'life' or 'light'. Now we can name it's opposite: 'death' or 'darkness'. To fully grasp this we must first understand the nature of the 2 'selfs'. The first self, darkness, that is correctly associated with fear, is sometimes called the 'ego'. Leaning away from popular understanding, the ego is the self that predominantly defines "I". It is the very things that it denies to confront. Hence, it is the very thing that prevents you from confronting all the things you do not want to confront. This of course depends if you derive your sense of 'self' from this 'ego'. It can be likened to a veil or shadow. It can only exist within the darkness and will do whatever it takes to survive. This is the root of the perception of separation.

    The second self, predominantly called the 'subconscious' is an entirely different entity. This self is the light, so to speak, the truth that seeks to uncover all that is hidden. In truth, this encompasses all of existence for all of eternity. The sense of self here is derived as not one among many like the shadow, but simply as one. All that is as one self. As the womb of 'love', this self is the gateway to the deepest level of the human being and the seed of 'love'.

    So far, the 2 pairs of opposites, thought/feeling and the 2 selves, can be likened to a 4 pole magnet. This understanding puts human behavior in a greater context, yet does not touch the root of 'love'. Only once the gateway has been unveiled within can a human being make contact with is body. With the physical body, this etheric body is the opposing pinnacle of the tetrahedron. Though they are on opposing aspects of the human being, they are not opposites. The physical body, with 'antimatter' as it's opposite, is the final expression or image manifested from this etheric body. The Etheric body can be seen as a conduit for both yin and yang energies. It can be thought of as the light source that shines through the subconscious gateway. This body is the Seed of Love, the Spark of Life and the Source of Light. Beyond this level is shadowed by the opposing etheric body. This is commonly called the veil or the void.

    For the purpose of this post I will stop here. It should be noted how misunderstood the word "love" is, taking this into consideration. For all practical purposes, it should also be noted that the etheric body (the name I decided to call it) is equivalent to the 6th sephiroth on the tree of life and heart charka, therefore 'love' does come from the heart, just not as commonly as most people understand.

  • frequencytuner Dec 22, 2010

    In all aspects of the physical world, the entire self must be considered to truly create an accurate picture. Regarding the word "love", let us delve within the human being to uncover it's mysteries. First, on a physical level, love can manifest in an endless multitude of ways: petting a dog, watching the sunrise, playing soccer, walking through the woods, erotic sex, cooking, woodworking, painting, music, dancing, singing, running, driving, martial arts, fishing, star gazing, meditating, smoking marijuana, skydiving, joyriding, armed combat, chess, World of Warcraft, punishing a child, abusing a woman, destroying things, starting trouble, getting into trouble, breaking the law, protesting, rioting...

    Now the aforementioned physical acts vary from one extreme to the other, yet there is a common thread: it feels good. There is something inside the human being that has an emotional attachment to the feeling that the act gives. Is this love we are speaking about? I will lean more toward passion than love with this because love does not always feel 'good'.

    The key word here is 'feel', which takes us one level deeper into the feeling or emotional body of human beings. In order to discuss this properly, we must also include the thinking mental body as well. These two bodies work in conjunction with each other like the yin and yang energies of chi. Every human being, at this level as well as the physical, is unique in the way they operate. Some will regard thought over emotions and act upon logic while others impulsively react to an ever flowing myriad of emotions, acting on reason. The variations are endless. This is logic and reason.

    So where does 'love' fit into this body? Love is not an emotion, nor is it a thought. Here we find basic human instincts like compassion and patience and 'love's' apparent polar opposition, what some call fear. Fear can originate as either a thought or emotion as it is a basic instinctive mechanism of a human system. However, because love is not of the same body, they are not true opposites. This is compassion and fear.

    Now we go deeper yet into the human being and encounter another yin-yang pair of bodies. Both of these bodies are referred to as the 'self', yet they are absolute opposites. From this body, where one derives the sense of 'self' from, lies every hope, dream, fear, aspiration, memory, habit forming behavior/thought and emotional patterns and the personality...among other things. This is the storehouse of information that one draws upon in every waking moment that determines how one will think, feel, act and react to the world outside and the world inside. These are the voices in your head, the feelings in your gut and the ebb and flow of your every waking moment.

  • Baronsen Dec 17, 2010

    Thank you SADVIPRA for your words, I see you have really been taken in by James Redfield.

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    SADVIPRA Dec 16, 2010

    You presented so many concepts that i want to start at the top with your idea of the installed life . I want to address only that one now and more later.
    Yogic theory says we have innate and imposed samscaras. That implies that we carry some will, need, ability, emotions,into this life from another and then our family and close surroundings impose expressions onto us with very little input. ( but some kids re-incarnating now are leading their parents) As i see it babies lives are of course guided by the Lord but some authority for that is given to parents. Babies are not usually given their own authority unless they snatch it prematurely, until approaching 4 years old (depending on the parental leanings to give that child his/her own life a bit or not). At which time they (according to a concept from the book "The Celestine Prophesy" they consciously or unconsciously start to choose to act like mother or father, or some of mother and some of father . In an extended family or with a lot of social contact it's more than a mother-father choice.
    Of course you're speaking as an adult but every adult traveled through the former as i see it.
    SADVIPRA

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    shoalin Dec 15, 2010

    @powerpeace.
    I have a simular mission in life but I believe if such a thing is possible it will be via educating the young. The path to peace is through acceptance, the trouble with most people is they attempt to change what is external to them in order to satify thier own desires. With expectation comes disapointment. The underlying issues are allways internal and unless thier is acceptance of all things there will allways be dispute and seperation. Racism, discrimination, these things will allways exist unless we teach the young that thier is no fundamental difference between not only racial groups but ideologies themselves. Accept everything, and you will discriminate nothing. After all, things exist simply because of belief, I say that all of the gods and such exist simply because of human thought as what else is required for people but faith in whatever it may be, therefore how can people debate over what they believe to be right? Thier is no need to proove something to anybody if indeed you have faith in your way of life. And if all ways of life are simply accepted rather than attempting to unify them, things would be much less troublesome. You cannot change the external, but you can change the way you percieve it.

  • Baronsen Dec 15, 2010

    It is strange that our fear holds on to us and people in power can manipulate it so we take sides, I was trained in the army to fight a certain enemy and many years later I met a person that was trained to fight me we where serving at the same time and we where meant to be enemies, it was a strange encounter like our fear had been meaningless but a great moment and very human like power had whitewashed us no longer, I believe people are in there heart goodnatured but this stone-age hold to gain power need us to be uneducated and follow a trend where we spend on there power to keep control and fear, to many of us are waking up and learning the truth, things take time, my grandfather said one thing to me repeatedly with out elaboration, he said "the good will always win" I would get frustrated and at his answer as I could see people taking, destroying, and winning over other people with greed, but my grandfather would just look at me and smile repeating " The good will always win", after feeling hopeless in fighting the world, I would start noticing things, The Bad may win in the short run but The Good would always win in the long run, I remind myself what my grandfather said now and try to live by those words :)

  • Baronsen Dec 15, 2010

    Hello Powerpeace

    I love the way you think, here is something you might find interesting:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwOkfVerhBU

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    powerpeace Dec 15, 2010

    I consider that I have a mission to establish Peace on Earth by 2027. This will be accomplished with the expansive growth and connective quality of the Internet and various social networks. In short my formula is Entertainment + Education + Prosperity = Peace. I have 10 obstacles that must be overcome. I find the discussion here of interest because when you say we read a book of wisdom as a child but do not understand it until we gain experience in the world, fits with my theory that most conflict in the world could be eliminated if we eliminate domestic violence. My theory is that DV is the root of ALL human violence. I believe we were born to love and born to live as one family. A family can have different personalities and skills but they are resigned to accepting that part of who they are requires that they contribute part of their being, wealth, time, and energy to the maintenance of said family. This to me is the #1 issue disturbing the USA today. I would love to have an income that would allow me to pay $1 million in taxes, even if the tax was 50% of my income. Greed is an addiction and I do believe that all of the people who do not want to pay taxes feel that they are the only ones that were responsible for their wealth. I know this is the lie of an addiction. Each #1 million$ of wealth has a minimum of 200 million people contributing. You can only grasp this if you understand how rapidly information is being transferred on the Internet Social networks today.
    Love & Peace, Deborah

  • Baronsen Dec 15, 2010

    Thank you Shoalin for your theories, I feel you did a great analyzation of human insecurity, it is great when a person realizes for themselves that they have this problem, there ways can then be altered and the shift of energy can begin, but it takes realization.

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    shoalin Dec 15, 2010

    Interesting thoeries baronsen, here is my take on this.
    First of all, in terms of emotions and how we tend to follow suit from that which wewere subjected to in childhood, this is reality as we know it, lets say for example a person 'sam' had a difficult and rather negative upbringing. Sam's life has many avenues as an adult, and while he may be surrounded by positivity the fact remains that reality as he knows it contains negativity so he will only pay attention to such things. Its all about what we are paying attention to, how we interpret given situations. Many times in my own life I have tried to be genuinly helpfull to others and they have inquired as to any ulterior motives I may have. Its sad but these days it seems nobody can just do something for somebody without some form of selfish ulterior motive behind it. But you see if you are a person that was surrounded by selfish people with thier own aims in life as a child it is unlikely that you will take well to somebodies help. Its all about interpretations, and one of my own thoeries, is that most if not all drama's arise as a result of misinterpretation, and/or self insecurity which brings me to the next thoery.

    People tend to look outside of themselves for what is acceptable, everything must be socially acceptable in order to be acceptable. What does this mean? I would say that 99.9% of people are insecure with thier life. Think about somebody who is judgemental about particular things, generally you will find that those things the person is judgemental about is what is inadequate (to them) in thier own life. Otherwise why make mention of it? Next time you see two people in an argument (or even yourself) actually pay attention to whats going on, are they arguing because they want to put thier point across? or is it really because they want the other person to feel the way they do? Why did it occur in the first place? Self insecurity? Ask anybody you know to go into a shopping centre and crawl on the floor and bark like a dog, thier is nothing wrong with this activity you are not harming anybody, but you wont do it because people are around to see it. And its not because 'they may think of you a certain way' because you dont know what others think nobody does, its your own insecurity and thought process that does the damage, as in all situations, only your own brain makes you feel and think certain ways, not the thoughts of others.

    And finally as for 'autopilot'. The other name for this is intuition. And this is the very reason I believe people watch sports, because they see the atheletes 'in the zone' in that state of autopilot and they know there is something divine about it. Autopilot is indeed the fastest and most accurate way things are done, you know why? Because your brain that is filled with doubts and insecurities and who knows what else does not get in the way. Your detrimental thoughts are cast aside and you are free to do whatever is neccessary. :)

  • Baronsen Dec 12, 2010

    I believe that humans are lacy maybe as a preservative which I think goes for the brain too, I believe that the brain only gives out a constant or minimal neural energy to get over an obstacle as a survival and reserve, Lets just say for argument sake the brain gives out a constant neural energy through a persons life so the brain only uses what it needs to get over obstacles as walking from a to z it is not going to use more energy where not need, Have you ever walked or driven from one place to another and got out of the car and think how did I really get here, like you where on autopilot, I also have another theory when you are on autopilot you come up with best thoughts or solutions, as when you distract your doing brain from dwelling on problems while driving, walking, playing solitude… you give your subconscious energy. Sorry back to constant brain neural energy so a person that has all his senses as we perceive them will have a constant energy use to function, I believe if a person was to become blind the energy shifts to other parts of the brain to heighten the sense of listening or feeling to get over the obstacle with no sight but the energy surge does not increase it shifts, I might be criticized by saying this but I believe that Albert Einstein energy had shifted into one area of genius where it was proven that he big problems in doing normal daily functions and Suffered from Asperger’s Syndrome, Dyslexia, learning disorder ,epilepsy, early speech difficulties, so the only time humans evolved in a huge way was when we first started to write on papyrus in Egypt and started to communicate on a huge level our neural energy grew, I believe that we are ready for a new human stage of evolving into consciousness ☺

  • KnowEthics Dec 11, 2010

    It looks like the meaning of love is the most popular subject of all time. Could be a reason, one type is conditional the other unconditional. I have only caught glimpses of the un version where most of my other encounters have only been very conditional. Not just the boy girl thing but in all spheres,- food, places, ideas etc. I guess an ultimate destiny could be something like being totally situated in pure unconditional love of the whole as well as the parts for eternity. My relative destiny is very blurry to me, I haven't even got control of these senses which tend to rule my life. Am working on it though, not to the best of ability just aware of the need for it. Also would the ability to be able to travel from dimension to dimension be simply just a change conconciousness, and what would it take for society to travel to a dimension of eternity,bliss and knowledge?

  • fishingstars Dec 11, 2010

    Ive come to understand now. That Truth and Ability have always been known to us. And that only a prepared mind can finally grasp this knowledge..."putting your attention on coincidences, and applying intention reveals their meaning".
    I remember long ago the first time I asked myself, "whose legs are these?" ---it was one afternoon I was sitting up legs out in front of me and I was reading, I remember feeling a strange dullness in my body, like how I could feel my body was fading, until I just couldnt feel my body. Not a numb feeling, just, an empty strange DETACHED feeling... I looked up and glanced toward my body, and suddenly it was a feeling like I was looking through a lookingglass at this body, feeling absolutely nothing for "it"..and my first thought being--whose legs are theese?" haha--I think I was about 9 or 10 years old...and since then have had that feeling many many MANY times more, its starting to feel like a reminder of sorts. I love this, its freedom. Love is so strong, i feel love for everything...we are SUPPOSED to feel love on the material plain....I hope people realise that upon realising the "new life"--never to disregard the utter importance of being on our very simple "physical 3D plain" I dont believe we began here obviously, so looking at the evidence...maybe---and please correct me if you think im wrong or not understanding something (im still learning)----but maybe the use of our 5 senses...IS our gift of life literally....something we chose to experience...and why it ultimately ends at some point....a space to realise your ultimate potential. realising the things you desire most, applying intention---ATTENTION and Intention to "coincidences" ...clues to finally realising and being what your meant to be, your destiny. Your Ultimate Destiny...its bigger than what we know to be love..like love itself is its own sort of entity or being. Love is beautiful, powerful, Love is truth, because its everywhere, its never wrong, and in any form its our pleasure, our center....--I must paint now...Im grateful for this Discussion Forum---I cant stop smiling...its almost time :)

  • Baronsen Dec 10, 2010

    Hello KnowEthics

    I like what you wrote, I think you are totally right that material state has a total blinding affect on Love, but knowing we are wrong about something is always an indication that we are under change as we evolve and we change our brain will see and be, I believe we are eternal and travel back and forward between dimensions.

  • KnowEthics Dec 10, 2010

    Wow, when I entered this page i kind of pictured the topics would relate to this science I just heard about noetics. You know, about collecitve conciousness, proof of the souls existence etc. Except the old word 'love' what is it? Are we God? or are we just parts of God? From what I've read - God will always be God, and we - meaning all other living entities will always be parts of God. The only thing that seperates ourselves from this supreme truth is our attachment to material pleasures, which only relate to the body. So I guess what most people term Love, is really just some form of material pleasure. Real love is on the spiritual platform, and can only be realized if we establish our realationship with that which we are eternally related, not temporarily related because True love is forever/eternal. Nothing is this material world is eternal. So I was wondering what it would be like on a physical platform what would happen if everyone was to focus their love towards God. Mind you I use the word God because most people understand that word but their is many personnal names for God out there, also a female aspect as well which is eternally linked with the male aspect. Good thoughts produce positive effects and bad thoughts produce negative effects. Of coarse good and bad are both relative to the individuals or group but if the focus was trancendental - what would happen?

  • Baronsen Dec 08, 2010

    Being an observer of life and we being able to total control electrons with consciousness to be able to see and define atoms we must become godlike and able to move on the Plank Scale and if we are able to move on the Plank Scale by god we are all time and our own angel immortal, now if we as an observer could influence Plank Scale as we like (forever speechless)

  • Baronsen Dec 08, 2010

    Fishingstars I have a very good friend who lives in the psychic world and she discovered at an early age she was able to look into a dimension that only certain animals could until now, she feared and banished her talent that I believe we all have, and it has not been until her older years that she has taken her ability to heart and grounded it, We seam always afraid of the unknown and obliviously we try to destroy it, She has become a student of The College of Psychic Studies, she lives with an amazing magnetism, she has even gone to huge depths and moved consciously into a redeveloped church as she calls Grand Central of activity, her outlook on life has gone through the roof.

  • Baronsen Dec 08, 2010

    We are living in exciting times and it is only now that that Science, spiritualism, psychics… have decided to work together to find truth to evolve, any field is not looked upon as taboo anymore. Consciousness, enlightenment… will become a milestone for an abundance and not just a few, control and secrets have a limited time of power and diminish progress, we can’t all live on the negative wagon anymore as it holds a very small key, negatives seam to help in the right dosage as hormesis, antimatter, the black-holes... which we will discover soon

  • Baronsen Dec 08, 2010

    Thank you RedDog for your intelligent and well thought words and you may be stating the obvious, I have red some of your contributions here on the site and I found them very one sided like I was reading a book and not very helpful, but a little dim like you already know our total purpose, This is a moment of being excited and being ready to find NEW ways of being able to be alive and travel dimensions and being more then just a shell, this is the moment to take what has been written and finding our own way to more then just obvious, This is the time to Be and to pass on the beginning.

  • RedDog Dec 07, 2010

    I like the general question of 'what is Love?'
    We spend most of our lives drawn to it like the pull of gravity, but a force which acts on both the body/mind and Soul.
    It there truth in Love?
    I think the fact we can love points to the greater truth of something we know we are missing once we enter this world.
    It is a longing in our souls for something we had, but cannot quite obtain here.
    A bit like having and itch that you just cannot get to because it is so deep inside.
    That is the only truth in it for me. While I'm here, I can love and be loved, but it is a dim shadow of the love I experienced
    before consciousness of self inserted action here in lineal time.
    You can find many aspects of true love here, full of meaning, but they are very temporary, as is ones life.
    Focusing upon the temporary nature of Love here, can increase one's desire to checkout early.
    Sorry to hear both of your stories are so traumatic on a stormy emotional level.

  • Baronsen Dec 07, 2010

    It happens when it wants to as I haven't learned to turn it on but I am intrigued by it now but I grow tired it is draining as-well and it feels strange it drags me. at the end I feel pleasant. Yes as you say human instinct is important and some are better at it then others, especially You as you had to learn from observing people, body language and how there behave. Yes if you are certain you experienced a native at the end of your bed I believe your senses where open

  • fishingstars Dec 07, 2010

    How often does your "gift" occur? is it still frightening?
    I only get good and horrible feelings from people it seems, sometimes if I see a man, even if he looks like the "perfect gentleman" i'll get an intense feeling that he/she has done something terrible, or in some cases is a pedophile, or a liar, ect, and most often its in the eyes...sometimes i can look into a complete strangers eyes and feel like ive known them my whole life.
    --another thing, I see things...like, masses, sometimes, sometimes people, at night sometimes I hear a woman humming, when I was younger id see a native at the foot of my bed...
    oftentimes I think my intuition is the truth. what is your take on that? is it wrong of me to assume?

  • Baronsen Dec 07, 2010

    I believe in crossing tracks and joining up, I also believe in fate, believe in battling to excel a hurdle to reach the next step, I find it funny to command through mind and seeing the wonder of it materializing. but being one with all my biggest step as I don't want to be at one with negativity but I will get over that hurdle ;)

  • fishingstars Dec 07, 2010

    following whats happened to you beginning in the cafe...do you believe that people , no matter how brief, enter into your life for a reason? sort of like...well, its hard for me to explain...like if your there to help them somehow, or vice versa, and you feel that immediate sort of recognition of the situation. I guess some might call it fate, or running into "soulmates" for lack of a better term...do you believe in that? that through your life you encounter dozens of "soulmates" meant to assist your journey in one way or another?

  • Baronsen Dec 07, 2010

    Thank you for your sweet words, Yes I would like to think I am a strong minded individual within :) I think Noetic Science is a beginning and a help forward so far. so you asked how I got into all this, I think there had always been something inside me in the darkest hours that told me in darkness there is light and compassion, I would give and give till I had no more energy to please others to get that little smile or recognition from others, but I always chose the blind greedy followers, Many unexplained things happened since and during, I fund balance where things come to me through thought and problems disappear to be salved as I wished... I have been on the underground train and become full of happiness without having a clue why a very brief moment of awakening. But the most extraordinary thing that has happened was when I was on a visit to Ireland, I was having a coffee in a cafe and I suddenly got up and started to see things that hadn't happened yet, it was like I had turned a corner a half a minute before I should I would see and hear things before they materialized in front of me, and it was constant for about a half an hour I could predict totally random things even a phone call and its contents, this was the first time and it was so scary that I sat down on a corner and nearly got sick as I didn't like what was happening, I wanted to get rid of it, it has happened again and I have spoken to a physics which has told me how to start to ground it and using it without fear, since then I have had a strange feeling that the world is going to be okay, and this experience has given me no doubt that there is more to you and me then how we live from day to day :)

  • Baronsen Dec 07, 2010

    It used to infuriate me when parents would say to a child "you have ruined my life" firstly the child did not ask to be born it was the parents choice even unplanned or not, how the child react and become is the input of the parents, a parent with total selfish state of mind and now the child have to battle for years with a guilt they do not deserve. I see we have similar history I have 5 sisters and two brothers, You where saying that your relationships failed because you did not let them "in" your "in" has become sacred grounds to us and there are only the right people you can let in, so that means you where not with the right people at this time.

  • fishingstars Dec 07, 2010

    I just noticed your in London. Ive never talked to another person from so far away, its funny in a way you exist in my tomorrow :)~
    what do you think of Noetic Science?

  • fishingstars Dec 07, 2010

    Baronsen :)
    Thank you, thank you and thank you again!
    I too grew up, basically, parentless. My father left me when I was 3, and since then my mother had many many other men, and I grew up taking over parenting my 4 younger sisters while my mother blamed me for ruining her life. I grew up looking for mother/father--figures as well, which had ultimately left me for dead in my own conscious prison. I was a bookworm/loner growing up, failed relationships because I couldnt let anybody "in" I was always sort of child-like, maintaining my innocense. People around me seemed to "use" me Im a very kind and giving person, so I get walked on often. And when Id finally "speak up" and stand my ground, i'd take people by surprise and soon find myself standing alone again. Anyways, so ultimately I agree with you in that suicide is very cowardly, and I knew that upon attempting, I just couldnt hurt anymore, I had noone. I was at a very low LOW :) but upon finalizing my divorce recently Ive found a new sense of freedom. Im 27 years old and I have the rest of my life to change. and...ignorant...clueless people dont bug me as much anymore...Its wonderful that Ive had the opportunity to share this with someone, ive never been able to do that, ive just been on my own in my "quest" to understand my life and my potential. I really needed to hear what you had to say, a sort of sweet confirmation.
    How did you come to this place in your life from what you've been through? your very attractive in your pictures you look to be a very strong-minded individual.

  • Baronsen Dec 07, 2010

    Hello Christina, Thank you for your words Christina :) I have know Idea what horror you have been through or witnessed, go to the extreme of taking your life gives me a answer that it has been so inhuman that you could see any further actions, now this may sounds very cruel but I have always looked upon suicide being the coward and easy way out of a beautiful unimaginable and undiscovered gift to be and to pass on. My mer parent-less, childless and outcast upbringing left me soulless for many many years and when I started to look for father and mother figures in others I found the world to be cruel and evilly greedy. I was growing into a figure of utter hate for life and people, would have been a brilliant assassin, but thank god I never went that way. you may fight the world but I think we live in a imperfect but perfect world even out of a normal family psychopaths could be born, it is like god is playing a game with us as ponds. Christina this is where it stops and YOU begin, life is all about YOU AND only YOU, you are the one that life is about, you beautiful in all its word Christina. it seams as you a broken soul has been looking for the answer through negative, oblivious, false, clueless... people that will never get awakeness, but live for material and recognitional pleasure which they think will free them and create envious richness blah blah blah... you may even see this in people you/we put your trust in and govern your country. On this planet there are 20% or less doers and 80% followers or more or should we call them blind followers and this is nothing new this has gone on since we started to hunt if you believe in evolution, so you are now part of the 20% or less that are doers as you have opened the blinds and ready to use your full YOU, and ready to move you from what had a firm hold of only negative and evil as I call it :) You will become a magnet of goodness and you will find LOVE and hello Love is not even the end goal. Even though your soul started out wrong if you now understand your past and look at it as a spectator, learn from it and evolve :) I hope my few words may help?

  • fishingstars Dec 06, 2010

    also...I had a strange and sometimes terrible upbringing...I held onto to God as much as I could in my younger years which gave me hope, and an intense understanding that its not the end of the world for me...that I should see the good in everything...so I got through it and throughand...again "through it" until finally I became spiritually and emotionally exhausted from all of the terrible things that kept occuring..I was tired of being "strong" I wanted to be taken care of by someone, I wanted to be cradled so-to-speak. So I tried to commit suicide. It didnt work so I joined the united states air force to fight for something to live for...unspeakably horrible things had happened to me...I was honorably discharged 3 years later with PTSD, and tried to commit suicide a million times more after that...I was a mess....now im looking for my own way to being "awakened"...and its changed me...it is crazy how people around you growing up can impact your personal way of living so strongly...now IM on a mission haha...Im going to write books, im going to allow my paintings to be seen and create many more...Im more and more able to see what my life is about...and what I can do for others with a simple smile and a hand..

  • fishingstars Dec 06, 2010

    I...actually have pondered the reality of LOVE in general myself....to the point of dedicated research...anything I could get my hands on really, trying to approach it in a way I could somehow believe it myself one day. Ive come across many things including "twin flame" twin souls"...i was obsessed with the science of sex, and domestic abuse, chronically love-stricken idealists...the psychology of relationships in general...overall what I came to formulate in my own idea of the truth of Love. the real thing...I think you really do..if your lucky enough that it happens to you...just KNOW, when its that true love. Its an instant unconditional I was born to love you, making love to that person or not...its got to be that way. I wonder if it would ever happen to myself, but my new take on the subject has lead me to..well, just to relax, be a compassionate honest caring woman....if it happens, it was meant to....in the meantime im going to do my best to offer my best...anyways, pretty much your entire post, has been the core of my own interest, id love to hear more of your ideas.

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