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Mentally ill, or something else?

Posted Aug. 7, 2011 by Maggie Finigan in Community Groups

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by Joseph Smith

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Recently, I was diagnosed with psychosis. After talking to a psychiatrist, I was given medication and sent to hospital to recover. However, I have a small amount of doubt regarding whether I have it not.

For the past year or more I had "unusual" experiences. I would hear my name or someone else's name being spoken out of nowhere, sometimes I'd hear movement around my house when I was the only one at home, and the most frequent thing that would happen to me would be when I'd just see someone in the corner of my eye who would disappear when I tried to have a better look. None of these experiences were frightening in the least. They didn't distress me, or scare me, which would be normal for most people having usual hallucinations.

Mostly, I'm looking for other explanations for my supposed psychosis, but there is also a part of me that's afraid that me thinking this is just part of the psychosis.

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  • Joseph Smith Jun 17, 2013

    bestearth, famous psychologist Carl Jung came up with synchronicity from his time in a mental hospital studying schizophrenia. My oldest daughter, now deceased, was psychic. She informed me of this when she was eight. She proved it. When she was 18, she was diagnosed as schizophrenic. Autistic children can do some amazing things. Could it be that normal people are brainwashed into being less than they are?

    When I was 49, with my life in ruins, I cut from the herd, the pioneer seeking to find the real me. I discovered who I really was. After that, when everything should have gone wrong, everything went right. Everything is in divine order.

  • bestearth Jun 16, 2013

    In the hospital the patients were largely irrational. They did not have the presence of mind to assess themselves. When I was in there surrounded by people with severe schizophrenia I still had enough awareness to observe and think even though my outward syptoms were assessed as the same.

    I think mental illness is like a barometer that measures the mental balance of society. A bit like an instrument on a dashboard measures the health or otherwise of some system. If society generally is not balanced between the rational and intuitive then that imbalance gets expressed through those who are most sensitive. Canaries in the coal mine if you like. In a society that undervalues the intuitive, contemplative state then the first to go mad(overtly) will be the contemplative ,intuitive types. In particular the ones who can't subscribe to the irrationality of the world and prefer their own irrational world. The ones who don't have the personality structure to suppress the feelings that say 'something is not right in the world'. Many people have these feelings but cope by distracting themselves with entertainments or stay busy with work.

    The hospital was full of intuitives with no avenues to explore it or develop it. I told my psychiatrist that the soul is an energy field that animates the physical body. I said it looks the same, has the same nerve endings that are fused with the physical ones and control all higher functions. i talked about how we are a holographic fragment of God and are in a process of growing back out into the original image. The look of incredulousness that came over him I won't forget. I saw his eyes roll back and he teetered on his chair shaking his head and making 'tdse, tdse, tdse' sounds like a kangaroo. I had the distinct feeling I should shutup now cos I felt he was going to up the dosages. Then he said" You can believe that nonsense but don't ever expect me to".

    In the hospital I also received 5 unsolicited pychic readings from patients. One man called me Saint James, said I was his reincarnation, Another man said I was a war criminal from nazi times and sent here for punishment into a life of mental illness. Another lady alternated between calling me God and the devil. And another lady every morning would say to me, "Your a God-child." and would then say that she loved me.

    Sometimes it makes me wonder who exactly is mentally ill.

  • reikihealer1956 Jun 10, 2013

    Explore the more holistic path, start by assessing your life, body and mind wellbeing: look at diet, put healthy fuel in and your mind and body will be healthy (also consider that you may be going through a personal transformation)
    I had similar symptoms to you many years ago but did not go near a conventional medical practitioner, as an ex nurse (now healer) I new better than to hand myself over to being labelled and drugged.
    I found yoga. meditation and diet to be my salvation. I now eat only organic food (much of which I grow myself in a very small garden) and mainly raw, I am vegetarian and ingest lots of home juiced veg drinks and fruit and nut smoothies, ommiting nearly all dairy, also I gave up wheat and therefore gluton. The difference is amazing, even my perception of life has changed and my healing ability has increased.
    I still enjoy a little wine and chocolate. There are plenty of good books on raw eating , check out Amazon.
    Hope you discover your healer and enjoy your life path.

  • bestearth Jun 08, 2013

    I'm reading Professor Keith Scott Mumby's book " Diet Wise". He says much mental illness symptoms are related to allergies that specifically target the brain. Wheat being one of the most commom culprits. He has structured an elimination diet to zero in on the allergy and has had excellent results with people diagnosed with schizophrenia and mental disability even. People who got their lives back after other doctors said they'd be on medication the rest of their lives. Fortunately someone had other ideas. The story of a lady named Susan,
    struck me the most, this doctor identified her allergies and her syptoms of mental handicap disappeared, her story appeared in the german magazine 'Bella', a double page spread titled "Prisoner No More", her quote,

    "This morning I tied my own shoelaces- tied them into neat little bows.
    And I did it all on my own- without any help from Mum or Dad.
    "You probably think that's no great achievement for a 39-year-old
    woman but ,believe me, it's a very big step and I feel terribly proud.
    "You see most of my life I have been classed as "mentally handicapped" and even the simplest tasks were well beyond me.
    " Although I could see, hear, smell, taste....I simply couldn't understand what my senses were telling me. The messages were all jumbled. So the world passed me by in a confused, bewildering blur.
    "It's only in the last few months I've come out into the real world- and it's fantastic.
    I feel as if I've been reborn or, at least released from prison after serving a long harsh sentence."

    Susans allergies were beef , dairy products, wheat and tomatoes. There are many more cases in this book of people recovering most of their brain function which shows that some people, the ones that are prone to brain imflamation via allergies have to make a special effort in order to regain their minds and their lives.

  • Joseph Smith May 29, 2013

    With billions of people looking to heaven for answers, we get a picture of a 400 pound bag of blubber, the boss of a civil service union asleep at his desk. Our world is currently in turmoil. It isn’t working. Augustine said, "Distinguish the ages, and the Scriptures harmonize." In Luke 21, Jesus said there would be signs in the sun, moon and stars, and there would be distress among the nations. He said when this occurs the kingdom of God would come. Why look to an external god for answers?

    With Jesus predicted by Persian astrologers, we now find Christians calling astrology witch brew. Coincidentally, Jesus was born at the beginning of the Age of Pisces, an age when man looks externally for answers—actually to heaven—realistically though, to a God of man's making. Can we agree on that?

    The ancients gave the Age of Pisces a symbol of two fish swimming in opposite directions, an age of division and no clear direction. We are now at the dawn of the Age of Aquarius, when we become our brother's keeper.

    In Genesis1, "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters," and further, "waters which were above the firmament: and it was so." Aquarius has the symbol of the water-bearer. It is an age when we become our brother's keeper, when we become more spiritual, say astrologers. Waters above the firmament--water the elixir of life--I went to sea for two years and came back reborn. Ever since I've lived a charmed life.

    At age 87, I'm not on any prescription drugs. I've not been to a doctor for anymore than a checkup for over two years. I look within for my answers. There must be some connection with universal consciousness. Voices of the past are in my thoughts. I get the idea that they want me to help make this a better place, as they are going to come back to deal with what I leave them. They want to keep me alive and well.

  • Billgreenjeans May 28, 2013

    “Modern medicine has thus become largely a question of giving a name to a complaint, and then of treating its signs and symptoms. This is neither intelligent nor scientific and certainly no matter for complacency and, still less for ignoring any theory which might lead to the truth.”
    Dr. Aurbrey T. Westlake B.A., M.B., B. Chir. (Cantab), M.R.C.S., L.R.C.P., F.I.Pis. Med. “The Pattern of Health”

    A long time ago in a far distant land a doctor( of sorts)was payed on a regular bases by his clients (villagers) as long as they were healthy the minute the became ill the client stop payment and did not resume it until the good health returned. Today doctors have a conflict of interest.

  • Joseph Smith May 23, 2013

    So, Maggie, you know deep within you it isn't psychosis. In numerology, the number nine is selflessness and compassion. Encompassing a love for all, it applies its energy to universal service. It bestows an impersonal but just view of life, one that is generous, benevolent and patient. This is the artist or the thinker who has developed skills through the preceding steps and is now ready to share his or her knowledge with the rest of the world.

    God created you to give back to the universe some measure of what you learn in this life.

  • Joseph Smith May 23, 2013

    We don't need a God's eye view of our planet from space to know our special endowment. Ancient numerologists reasoned that the number four was stability, system, order--the law. Four is the builder submitting to earthly things where form and substance are the predominant elements. Going to the Constitution led me to law professor Edward S. Corwin's "The 'Higher Law' Background of American Constitutional Law." We read therein that the Roman judge Cicero, following the philosophy of Greek Stoics: that justice exists by nature, and not of any definition or principle, wrote Cicero, "We are born for justice and right is not the mere arbitrary construction of opinion but an institution of nature," what does this tell you about government entitlement? The reason America is going morally, spiritually, and fiscally bankrupt is falling for the idea that you need government to take care of you, consequently a Nazi IRS to confiscate your property.. You lose sight of who you really are, a co-creator of our reality.

  • Joseph Smith May 23, 2013

    When I was first on my own, I was having a repeating dream of flying on the back of a giant bird through a narrow, winding canyon. I couldn't see ahead. I woke up in a cold sweat, terrified.

    In my early life, so to speak, everything was handed to me on a silver platter. I met a professional astrologer at a Parents Without Partners meeting. I hired him to create my astrological chart. I was not impressed. My chart didn't describe the person I knew to be me. I was at the turning point in my life. I became the person my astrologer described. We come into this world predestined, and with choice. In my early life I took the path of least resistance, and now in a deep hole, challenged to find a way out.

    It is very interesting that I would go for the Constitution. I blamed government for my failure. I wasn't going to take it. When I studied the Constitution, I heard voices of the past speaking to me, challenging me. Instead of "putt the blame on Maime," it was how to beat my oppressors. Lo and behold I beat them. Imagine that!

  • Joseph Smith May 23, 2013

    Unbelievably, we were created with the mental capacity of becoming a member of the Cosmos. In Genesis 1:26, "And God said, Let us make man in our image," before man had arrived on earth.

    In "Cosmos and Psyche," distinguished philosopher and cultural historian Richard Tarnas brings attention to the general feeling that there is a sense of epochal closure in us--the destruction of an earlier mode of life.

    Both WWI and WWII began "in precise coincidence virtually exact hard-aspect alignments of Saturn and Pluto. Coincidentally, in my astrological chart we find that with Saturn in its most favorable aspect alignment with Pluto I would be natively blessed with understanding of the subtle workings of the Cosmos.

    Coincidentally, in the month and year that President Obama was first elected, November 2008, Saturn and Pluto began their worst alignments. Tarnas points out an astonishingly consistent correspondence between planetary alignments and the archetypal patterns of human history.

    Jesus arrived, according to the prediction of Persian astrologers, at the beginning of the Age of Pisces, whose symbol is two fish swimming in opposite directions. Jesus said, "in earth as it is in heaven....But seek ye first the kingdom of God." He said the kingdom of God is in you. You are not mentally bound to earth.

    Jesus predicted his second coming in Luke 21, according to signs in the sun, moon and stars. We're now entering the Age of Aquarius, whose sign is the water-bearer. In the Age of Aquarius, Persian astrologers predicted thousands of years back, we become our brother's keeper. I wonder why you don't hear this.

  • Joseph Smith May 22, 2013

    It is one thing to be privileged to escape this planet, to be divinely inspired, and quite another to be confined by gravity to this cesspool of moral corruption. How do we mentally escape the self-proclaimed aristocracy of demigods who see themselves as the world's saviors?

  • Joseph Smith May 22, 2013

    When my wife and I were both working to produce a modest existence, my wife received a six page questionnaire from the IRS. She had filed "tax exempt" legally and legitimately. The IRS was determined to nab tax protesters filing "tax exempt," illegally. The questionnaire did not have an OMB number, which is required by law, obviously because the paperwork reduction act forbid it. My wife threw the questionnaire in the trash. The IRS sent my wife a letter stating therein that I she didn't pay $35,000 in tax and penalty immediately that the IRS was authorized to seize our home and anything else, if need be, to pay the tax my wife allegedly owed. it was a bluff. The IRS has now taken the Fifth. They know they operate above the law.

  • Joseph Smith May 22, 2013

    My neighbor, just yesterday, told me the IRS called him in to discuss his tax issue. He said that the IRS demanded the impossible. He used foul language. Two armed guards escorted him out. My neighbor said the IRS telephoned him to say that he was barred from ever again entering the IRS office and that if he didn't immediately pay the tax he owned the IRS was authorized to seize his home and anything else he owned, if need be, to pay the tax he owed.

    My neighbor leaves for work at 3:30 A.M. every day. He makes extra money by fixing junked items and selling them. His wife works as a waitress. They barely get by.

  • Joseph Smith May 22, 2013

    During WW II, I was a combat rifleman. When I left the service, my ears were permanently ringing. Gradually, I lost 70 percent of my hearing. I'm now a disabled veteran. During my recent annual checkup at the Veteran's hospital, my doctor asked me if I thought the world was against me; if I had trouble getting along with friends and family; if I was suicidal; if I ever thought about taking out my anger on people. My government doctor had no evidence that I had a mental problem. Why do you suppose he would be treating me like a mental case? I have the feeling that government is getting nervous about the controls it has imposed.

  • Joseph Smith May 22, 2013

    Bestearth: "I was getting psychically attacked by something." Playing the blame game is normal. I blamed government for ruining my life. I was not going to take it. I did something about it. I was right, the government wrong! So there you have it. Lo and behold, I found my life calling. The government is always wrong.

  • Joseph Smith May 22, 2013

    Bestearth's Apr 29 comment made me think back. In 1975, my life in ruins, at age 49, my business enterprise on the rocks, my second wife divorcing me, what was the use of going on. I wished I would die. It's a normal reaction. My wife suggested that I go to a psychiatrist. Everyone I knew thought I'd lost my mind. It was the beginning of a miracle. I was forced to look within and find who I really was.

    I got on my path of destiny. When everything should have gone wrong, according to what we are taught, everything started going right.

  • Joseph Smith May 22, 2013

    Only a fool could think the world is currently progressing. Progressive government is taking us back. There is no question that we are heading for a drastic change. And how we hate change! It forces us out of our comfort zones. We try not to think about it—take the position that what will be will be. It always works out in the end. Just pray to Almighty God in heaven. Sorry about that. What will be is what the resourceful say will be—for we are not like other life. For us, nothing begins; nothing ends; everything renews, for we are immortal.

    We read in “The Physics of Consciousness,” authored by brain doctor and quantum physicist Evan Harris Walker, my guru, that objective reality is “a flawed and incomplete conception of reality. We find that what we thought was an independent and objective physical world is in fact contingent on the observer—that we ourselves—must feature in this picture of reality.”

    “The tests of Bell’s theorem have shown us that objective reality as it has been conceived is not the true fabric of reality. The observer interacts with matter. Consciousness, the substance of the newfound reality that defines the observer, has fundamental existence. It is the quantum mind that is the basic reality.”

    Having said this, Walker concludes that there is unity in nature, “all things being aspects of the mind. But now we see more of the underlying structure, of this engine that drives our struggling souls….A universe that has only matter cannot have consciousness….”

    Our conscious awareness is only limited by the bounds we ourselves place. Walker: “Some have failed to see any place—any space—where God could reside, and others have failed to see where any consciousness could hide within the atoms of matter. But we have found that reality. We have found that hiding place….We have looked within to find reality.” Everyone’s Savior and Redeemer, Jesus, advised us to look within for our answers. I did and my dreams came true.

  • Joseph Smith May 22, 2013

    I experience similar to your hallucinations, which I accept as psychic growth. I mentally "see" connections I've never before seen. I believe you are one of a growing breed that is going to "see" far beyond the present horizon.

  • bestearth May 02, 2013

    The dreaded DSM, what does it stand for? Damn silly method. I have a good quote here from Jung,

    "It is a fashiionable stupidity to regard what can't be explained as a fraud"

    Sometimes I think we have devolved from a divine state of being rather than evolved from monkeys.Here's a quote from me,
    "The most costly thing in the universe is ignorance and the most priceless thing is it's opposite which is knowledge."

  • James Davis Apr 29, 2013

    Tale a look at this:

    http://www.rivier.edu/faculty/pcunningham/Research/Chapter_11_Transpersonality_Disorders.pdf

  • bestearth Apr 29, 2013

    I think for people struggling and feeling suicidal, meditation may not be good. It depends on the person's constitutuion and temperament. When I was like this I ended up in hospital because I was getting psychically attacked by something. The psychiatrists did the only thing they know how which is drugs. The story they gave me was I had schizophrenia, it was unwise of me to tell them about some of my experiences. They made all sorts of assumptions based on their definition of what is 'acceptable'. I still have this story pinned on me but I don't go to them anymore because in hospital I started painting again. I painted my way out of there. I found a social enterprise and continued painting. For me it was better than meditation because it produces something material which gives a sense of accomplishement and also a record of your current process, psychic impressions made into symbol and pattern. Better than therapists. I sold my first paintings shortly after.

    I also found a way to taper off the medications using a protocol I researched and tried. I tapered very slowly over a 6 month period with a supplement protocol. This provides some physical support while I sorted out my attitude toward life which is the spiritual part. The doctors are well meaning but they understand neither what causes illness or what causes health. They not only do not know that a person has a spirit and they think that nutrition is not important, so they address neither element of the human-the body, or the being-the spirit. They would see improvements if they forced the patients to take supplements as well. Many of the patients had shocking diets and they said nothing about it and did nothing about it. Many of the patients had no code for living. Their parents did not instill it in them and the rest of society also failed to instill it.

    I read some philosophy books which taught me to ask a question to myself. ' what are my highest values?' because your authentic self is defined by your highest vaules if you can explicitly state them, well, it helped to know and it pointed me back to myself. I still don't know exactly what I'm doing here on this planet but I feel like I should just do my best and learn about the things that are interesting to my mind. I think about the nature of creation, like that comment above about the supreme. I think most are all looking for something to admire and respect and something to help us focus on virtue. Something heroic maybe. Something inspiring that gives life meaning and makes us feel worthwhile. Maybe the universe is neutral and is waiting for a human mind to come along and give it meaning and then it comes alive.

  • Jeanine Broderick Jan 24, 2013

    I have many friends who have similar experiences and it is not uncommon for me to experience some of them as well--especially seeing from my peripheral vision. My children have been away at college and my eldest daught has a life size doll she made of Victor Hugo upstairs and sometimes I will text her and tell her to tell him to go back to bed (even though she is away at college) because it sounds like he is moving around up there. I don't think he really is but I also know that consciousnesses exist all around us and I don't know if they sometimes become more solid than at other times and make the noises.

    Like you they do not frighten me.

    What you did not say was whether you were doing any deliberate work to become enlightened or if other changes were happening in your life.

    I have been and see correlations between changing my vibration and these experiences. I have had a clairaudient experience as well.

    What I would not do is tell a western trained physician about these experiences.

    I do have a good friend who is both Eastern and Western trained, a M.D. and she and I have discussions but she also communicates with non-physical entities so she is not going to give me pills or hospitalize me for being open about such experiences.

    The wisest people in my circle are all able to communicate with non-physical entities in some way, shape or form.

    I've had discussions with some of the more intuitive among my friends and those raised in an environment that was supportive of their gifts have told me that they have met others with gifts who were labeled and had negative attention from their mis-understood gifts. What that does is tune them to negative energy where the voices then match their new point of attraction and are not friendly. Which worsens the labels -- creating a downward spiral.

    ♡ Jeanine

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    drichardson Dec 19, 2012

    Radical Shrink? I guess. I worked in mental health for many years, pre and post DSM. I had the good fortune to be educated during the 60's when we were cautioned about the potential constraints upon our own thinking when we indulged in 'diagnosis'. My 2nd mentor suggested to me that rather than the content of any remarks I might make, it was quite possible that it was the love and respect with which I worked that did the real 'work'.
    Robert Whitaker (Mad in America), Peter Breggin MD (Your Drug May be Your Problem) and Grace Jackson, MD (Rethinking Psychiatry) have each published useful books re the problems that haunt psychiatry.
    I have worked with folks whose difficulties were characterized as 'psychosis'. One thing I did note and to some degree it's a problem for all of us. It is, 'from where does our experience really come?' Are we tuning into a larger consciousness some of the time? All of the time? Do we know the difference? I am assuming that there is a difference as we each go about the business of living our temporarily individualized lives.
    What I do know from personal and professional experience is that sometimes our processing of the 'data/experience' can be overwhelmed and then we do indeed have a problem. As you read this please join me as I wish Maggie well.

  • telephoenician Sep 26, 2012

    Yes, Dusty. It'd be nice to hear from Maggie and let us know how she's doing.

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    dustproduction Sep 25, 2012

    Its been over a year and Maggie has not commented.

  • telephoenician Sep 22, 2012

    I would suggest checking out what kind of automobile the good doctor is driving before you waste your money and time, dear Maggie. Despite some of the discouraging comments I've read here, you are most certainly smart enough to manage your own affairs and to seek help form wherever you see fit.

    BTW - I don't believe in lawyers either, and I don't mind telling a few of you where you can stick your supoenas. Besides, I only possess spiritual currency so it wouldn't be worth your while (ie: $$$$$$$, I don't have any).

    The fact is, for many thousands of years people have been surviving quite well without this pharmaceutical garbage that's only been around for a few decades. Prior to that, they'd've burned you as a heretic.

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    dustproduction May 21, 2012

    Some of you will have heard of the book by Robert Whitaker, Anatomy of an Epidemic. In this book, Whitaker provides convincing evidence that many of the present illnesses labelled by categories in the Psychiatrist's Bible, The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual(DSM) IV (soon to be V), are actually instances of an overwhelming and possibly incurable disorder I will call Polypharmacy Psychiatric Drug Disorder (PPDD). In short, long-term treatment by psychiatric drugs, whether they be stimulants, tranquilisers, antipsychotics or antidepressants, will over time retune the relevant neurotransmitter system so that the affected system becomes increasingly more sensitive to the neurotransmitter

  • KYRANI Jan 16, 2012

    There is no such thing as mental illness, psychosis or anything else. It is all about toxic relationship and the way an unsuspecting person will react. You can certainly do something about it and without drugs once you know what it's about. You are welcomed to visit my blog at http://kyrani99.wordpress.com/ where I am discussing these matters in some detail.

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    Manawa Jan 15, 2012

    Hi Maggie, I notice your post is a few months old and I hope things are working out for you ok. I guess I have chosen to join this discussion to share a similar experience, I have no idea whether you are suffering psychosis nor am I qualified to say. A couple of years ago I found myself in a highly stressful situation involving my children - where by I was worried beyond belief. Similar things occurred to me. I would be woken by my Mother calling my name (she isn't deceased), footsteps running up and down my hallway, also on the roof at night, security screen door been violently shaken at night (I live rurally no neighbors) and things moving in the corner of my eye. The weird thing is......other people I live with heard the same things and had their own experiences. A paranormal investigator suggested my levels of stress may have been providing energy for an entity. Once I knew my children we're safe it all stopped immediately.
    Whether it was because I consciously took on board that i am responsible for these happenings that it stopped or the the relief that my children were ok and I stopped producing the energy - I really don't know.
    I don't consider this an issue personally, especially to the point where I'd seek medical advice - it has made me more aware about dealing with my stress and not letting things build up. This seems to work for me.
    Take care, Manawa

  • capt_infinity Oct 04, 2011

    What concerns me right now is we are not hearing from Maggie Please let us know how things are going..

  • F_Alexander Oct 03, 2011

    Boy am I glad to see someone here with your expertise Sunshadow, not to mention your ability to communicate clearly and fully.

  • Sunshadow Oct 03, 2011

    Actually, in cases where someone is genuinely psychotic, it is counterproductive to engage in visualizations and meditations sometimes, and I see that some people have just recommended that to her.

    The main thing is, it's really impossible to know if someone is psychotic based on as little info as we have here, and even well meaning advice could be harmful. That's why a lay person cannot read the DSM-IV, for example, and accurately self-diagnose--not to say that you can't read it and get an idea that something might apply to you. We need someone trained in diseases of the mind and brain to evaluate us if we think something is really wrong or unusual with our experiences.

    That said, psychiatrists are not always 100% right any more than any other MD is, or anymore than any alternative medicine/healer may be. Thorough assessment is in order. Maggie is correct to wonder if her doubting is part of the psychosis. It may be, or it may not be. She sounds rational and focused and her verbal presentation does not seem problematic, but then, if she's taking medication that is helping her condition, that may be why.

  • Fallensoul Oct 03, 2011

    Well I must humbly apologize if Maggie or others believe I was diagnosing her condition. I rather suggested she try other opinions and suggested Mantra meditation which is universal to everyone and in no way bad for her. It's a spiritual practice that is acts independently of the material condition of the body and mind. Sorry if that was misunderstood.

  • Sunshadow Oct 03, 2011

    I agree with Saoirse. It's not possible to diagnose with as little information as Maggie has been able to provide in this online forum. But I understand her questioning, so I'd like to offer her a little input.

    My background is social work. I'm a licensed mental health professional and have worked in mental health for 15 years, both inpatient psych, and in a large non-profit community mental health center. Also, I have a love and appreciation for non-traditional healing practices, and pagan spiritual beliefs. So, I figure I've got a reasonably balanced perspective to offer you.

    Maggie: you said that the experiences you have had are both auditory and visual, correct? If I were screening you, I'd be interestsed to know at what age you began to have the experiences; were you using any kind of drugs at that point in your life--& that includes both prescription, over the counter, and street drugs; is there any family history of psychosis or thought disorder in your family; have you had a thorough medical examination to rule out any medical causes for the symptoms; what is your history of emotional and physical trauma; have you been exploring alternative forms of consciousness such as astral projection, etc.

    You said that none of the experiences were frightening to you. So, how did you wind up before a psychiatrist? Something prompted you to seek medical attention...was it you, or loved ones, who made this happen? I'd want to know more about that. At the time that you were experiencing the symptoms, did you also have any changes in your mood...from a normal mood to a depressed or highly elevate mood, or vice versa? Also, did you have these visual and auditory experiences only while in your own home? Or did you have them in other places too? Do you have them only when you are alone, or do you have them while others are around you? And did you ever confuse them for what most people would call "reality", meaning, a voice or an image that is clearly identifiable to a person or animal in your environment? Have the symptoms abated since taking medication?

    Those are a few of the questions I'd ask someone I was assessing before I would even attempt to suggest a possible diagnosis.

    I don't know if you have a true psychosis, or not, or if it's due to a natural chemical imbalance in your brain, or an artifically induced one, or trauma induced by history....or if you are having an awakening of extrasensory perception, for example. Too much unknown yet to hazard any suggestion in a responsible way.

    Know this, though. It's perfectly normal for people to question their diagnosis. Just be sure that you are careful about what advice you choose to follow...and why you're choosing it. Sometimes we hear what we want to hear, not what we need to hear. Your MD might be wrong, but then again, s/he might be right. Proceed with caution if you're thinking of discontinuing your medication.

  • F_Alexander Oct 02, 2011

    Actually I think should echo that observation that we should feel quite right in asking for some more details when someone wants advice of this nature. And if you are still following this thread Maggie, then don't be shy about providing any other little peripheral details. Particularly, did your therapist believe that your experiences were decreasing your ability to function in either public or private contexts?
    It sounds like you needn't worry from what you've said so far, because in psychopathology at the moment most sensory experiences outside the normal range are considered as "illness" (even though many are actually a sign or being further ahead of your fellow humans is some respects).

    I have friends who have been put on inhibitory medications despite the fact that they were perfectly sane and functional people, and one time the prescription came at the behest of a Christian mother who didn't approve of her child's abilities. Many emerging next level functions of the brain are no doubt seen as a "chemical imbalance," but as psychology continues to shift from a "normative development" model to a "positive development" model, the experiences of people like yourself will be approached differently.

  • Fallensoul Sep 28, 2011

    >I'll probably get eaten alive for this
    Nah, I'm vegetarian. :)

  • Fallensoul Sep 28, 2011

    Saoirse: Thanks for the comment. Maggie's explained her condition and symptoms quite clearly, just as she would if she were sitting at a doctors office, so to say just from one post one cannot understand her condition is not entirely true. I simply suggested that she find some professional in other lines of treatment to take their opinions and try their treatments to see what helps. It's not a question of bashing medical establishment for the sake of it, its almost common knowledge to get a second opinion. How many times have we seen one doctor say one thing and the next doctor gives a completely opposite diagnosis. Still the alopathy opinion that she has been given may not be the best since western medical sciences arent yet able to accept a spiritual realty, or even just a subtle material reality, of which the mind (and illnesses of the mind) are a part of. According to current western sciences, there is only the gross physical platform (1) -- whereas Ayurveda, for example, treats diseases with an appreciation of these other subtle sheaths covering the conscious spiritual self:

    1 annamaya-kosha : physical
    2 pranamaya- kosha : energy
    3 manomaya- kosha : mental
    4 vijñanamaya- kosha: wisdom/realization
    5 anandamaya- kosha : bliss in love for God

    I'm sure our ION'ers can attent to various alternative healings having good effect where alopathy has failed to provide satisfying results.

    But apart from trying to treat this particular problem which is really just a symptom of the universal issue of suffering. According to Vedic knowledge, this world we're living in, is a place of suffering, and we're not meant to be under these sufferings, but we're accepting this position due to ignorance of our spiritual self. We're thinking I'm just this temporary body and this is it. So the solution to this problem of suffering is to return to our spiritual identity and to do that the recommendation is maha-mantra meditation or chanting God's names. I'm not sure which meditation you are referring to that is harmful, but the meditation im referring to is not just for Maggie, it's universal and beneficial for all of us. Spiritual sound vibration has a direct effect of cleansing the consciousness and once the consciousness is purified then one qualifies to return back to the spiritual realm at the end of this life. Otherwise one continues to suffer here in its unlimited variety, like stress and nightmares.

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  • Saoirse Sep 27, 2011

    I'll probably get eaten alive for this, but does it not seem a little dangerous to be diagnosing someone based on a single post on a web forum? I get that it's a great opportunity to bash the medical "establishment," but there's no way to know from one forum post what the poster's medical condition might be, and there's also no way for her to know whether the people here are in any way qualified to diagnose her issues. Most of the advice is probably not harmful, but. for example, if the poster is having dissociative episodes, meditation can actually make it worse. Providing emotional support is great. I'm just not sure that we're really in a position to determine whether the poster does or does not have a chemical imbalance that needs to be addressed. So... I'm going to suggest that maybe a little caution is in order as far as dispensing medical advice?

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    eyesus Sep 26, 2011

    Hi Maggie,

    Our Ions group in St. Louis is going to watch a movie called Wake Up. I have watched a portion of it online. It is available to watch instantly if you have access to a computer or if it agrees with your computer. You can also purchase the dvd online. It is about a young man with similar experiences to yours only his are much more pronounced. The documentary is his journey of trying to "understand" his condition. It is very compelling. There is apparently a thought about being stuck between two dimensions.

  • F_Alexander Sep 24, 2011

    Wow, some good advice so far :-) You aren't "psychotic" at all, as that denotes someone who can't cope with the experiences you describe. If you aren't afraid of such "quantum phenomena" and the like, than I'd say you probably have an above-average degree of mental stability, or in other words your body is handling incoming stimuli correctly, efficiently, and maintaining homeostasis.
    I have known a couple of friends with circumstances similar to yours, one who further developed their capacity and another who simply lived with it as it was and didn't choose to evolve it further. Both are living perfectly stable lives, and each had their own little ways of "staying grounded," whether meditating on becoming wiser and more in-tune with life, or by simply enjoying the company of upbeat friends. These are the kinds of practices that even people without psychic development use to "feel more grounded," and while I think you will be fine and healthy either way, they usually make day-to-day life go even more smoothly.

    Peace sister ;-)

  • Fallensoul Aug 07, 2011

    Dear Maggie. There are few alternatives to try and I would encourage you to do so -- certainly doesnt seem like you're crazy at all. Integrative health treatment is often better than a single line of treatment -- particularly allopathy whose action is best suited on the gross bodily platform. It's unfortunate but sometimes the medication rather than curing, makes one feel more sick and depressed.

    One option is that there are people who are able to detect if there is some external influences affecting you. This is a serious consideration and I would have some local demonologist or healer come over to your house and check. Other healers can detect your prana and aura and find any misbalances in them and help from that angle. Ayurvedic doctors can help balance your doshas. All these may help, you have to try out various things and see what works to solve the misbalance. Others on this forum are more knowledge in these areas and may be able to give you more detail.

    But apart from these various things you may try, its important to understand the bigger picture. The reality is that we enter this lifetime with a stock of karmic results from our own past activities from past lives that are due to us and this manifests itself in a certain amount of happiness and distress in this life. In one sense we have little control over this -- try as we might to avoid or adjust our sufferings in various ways, it manifests itself somehow or another in various physical or mental trauma. We have to tolerate.

    What's more important then is to understand that we are spiritual beings made up of consciousness and have little to do with the sufferings and joys on this material platform, but because we identify very strongly with this body and this material environment, we are affected by the various karmic reactions that in our own ignorance, we ourselves incur. It's this misidentification that is the root of our ignorance and suffering.

    Through spiritual knowledge, practice and introspection we can come to understand that we have a spiritual body and mind that is separate from the material body and mind. We can see how these various things are coming into our consciousness and we have nothing to do with it. We are simply observing it.

    It would extremely beneficial for you to start meditation. The best type of meditation is that focused on the Supreme, because the Supreme Source is a person who is fully pure and by association with Him through meditation, we also become pure/spiritual and this clears away all our karma and reconnects us -- balances us. The most effective way to connect in meditation is to chant God's names. The fact is we do need shelter in this dark universe and if we cry out to the Source for it -- help, light and love will certainly come.

    By this process of self-realization or bhakti-yoga we can come to purify our consciousness and cure our spiritual psychosis that all of us are suffering from. I hope something helps.

  • Gretchen Dreisbach Aug 07, 2011

    Dear Maggie, with great love I would encourage you to explore the 'something else'...what if you follow your intuition with the understanding that there is nothing to be afraid of? Maybe you are multidimensional, maybe you are actually mentally 'well'! The veils are coming down and we 3D humans will have much greater access to the other dimensions. Fear keeps us grounded in this plane but LOVE will help you to raise your vibration and join and see clearly what exists in the outer layers! There are posts on this website of many that are awakening and also of the new children who have never been asleep, (unfortunately they are often medicated as well...). It is your birthright to live consciously as your authentic self!
    love to you on your journey from Gretchen Grace!

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