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I was born in 1925. In 1925, Congress gave the IRS authority to examine personal records for possible tax we owed. In 1974, on a fishing expedition, the IRS spent a week going through my personal records. They found that I failed to report $5,000 in taxable income. It was a lie. Of course the amount of time spent cost more than the tax money the IRS hoped to recover. It was a rouse. They knew that to legally fight them would cost far more than the tax. The agents pay was more than the tax they hoped to collect. This is demonstration of the way government thinks. On the other hand, government hands out taxpayer money illegally collected for votes. In my case, the IRS stepped in a pile of you know what. I was onto their fraud. So we will see to what extent your government will go to defang people like me.

The IRS telephoned me to schedule an appointment to discuss the tax I allegedly owed. I informed the caller that there would be no appointment, that I'd see the IRS in court. Nothing happened to collect that alleged tax. It happened when my then wife divorced me. The IRS and my then wife discussed how to take me.

They didn't get away with it. I filed a petition in the Tax Court. The IRS owed me far more than the phony tax. I had filed a claim for prior year business losses on which I paid tax. The IRS illegal froze my full refund, offering to pay the excess over the phony tax if I'd drop my lawsuit. That rouse didn't work. It took three years to get my case to trial. Just before the trail, the IRS sent me a check for the excess they had illegally withheld. Before the trial commenced, the IRS begged the court to be heard. They amended their claim to the amount of tax I actually owed, but left the penalty. The court removed the penalty.

As soon as the Tax Court trial was over, the IRS reassessed me and added penalty and interest for the additional time. They lawlessly confiscated the money. In all, my case was before three U.S. District Courts, the U.S. Court of Appeals, and the U.S. Supreme Court. The IRS was allowed to keep the confiscated property, which violated a federal court order. I took the court record and confiscation record to The Palm Beach Post. An investigation found that the IRS had been "mistaken" from the first. Had it been a private citizen, it would have been a crime. He would have been sent to prison. Is this any way to treat someone who volunteered to fight for America's freedom? We've got the same kind of masters of deceit running America as the Germans had running Germany before and during WWII.

We note that the newspaper revelation in my case didn't change a thing. It is the same being reported in 2013, the IRS as lawless as ever. What does that tell you?

Here is another WWII story. I was a volunteer. At age 18, in October 1943, I joined the U.S. Army Air Corps. I spent a year in England doing nothing. They decided to make me an officer's orderly. I let them know in no uncertain terms that I did not join to be an offer's servant. I was transferred to the infantry and sent to the front, the front at the time on the east side of the Rhine River in Germany. On my first night at the front, I was assigned to patrol the streets of a German town we'd occupied. My own troops fired at me. The Officers who wanted me for their servant, who sent me to the front, didn't have any American combat boots for me with Neoprene soles so they gave me British hobnail boots. The Germans wore hobnail boots.

My battalion was assigned to capture Dusseldorf. City officials came to us stating that German troops had left and there would be no resistance. I was billeted at Gestapo Headquarters in Dusseldorf. I noticed in the motor pool a 1937 Ford convertible. Before the war, I drove a 1937 Ford. The keys were in the ignition. I took a tour of the city, strictly against orders. I was subject to court-martial and loss of pay for six months.

I passed a wine cellar people had broken into and were carting away jugs of wine. I gave two German girls with a jug of wine a lift home. They invited me in to meet their family. We sat around the dining table drinking wine and hoping the war would soon end.

What is time and space? Someone said it's a way of separating events. I was born in the month and year, 1925, that Werner Heisenberg published his uncertainty principle, the forerunner of quantum mechanics.

Heisenberg was Hitler's atom bomb builder. His plant, during WWII, was bombed to the ground. The United States was first with the atom bomb. I was on the high seas heading for the invasion of Japan's main island. President Truman, with the choice invading Japan or dropping the atom bomb, chose the bomb. Mine was the second troop ship to occupy Japan, The first made a beach landing.I disembarked at Yokohama. The Japanese were very nice to me. They even welcomed me. I dined with the mayor of Urawa and family. What does that tell you?

Some time back, I was posting my thoughts on the Gaia Community. Several moderators barred me. One moderator called me a troll. The Gaia Community went bankrupt. Tea Party Patriots barred me. The IRS is after Tea Party Patriots. They are not after me. Tea Party.org warned me to quit knocking lawyers. Tea Party.org's owner is a lawyer. All the lawyers in the DOJ could not beat me. What does that tell you?

At Tea Party.org, I got into a long running debate with a Christian. I love debating Christians and their quaint ideas. Don't get me wrong. I believe Jesus is my savior and redeemer. It does no good to complain and do nothing. I quit posting my thoughts on Tea Party.org. The Christian has now emailed me that he missing me as his sparring partner. I'm not posting for the fun of getting my ideas out. Congress is doing enough of that. It's like a dog chasing its tail.

I like what Jesus said in the Gospels. He told us to look within for our answers.

The thoughts expressed by Ion staff here have been on my mind for years. I'm not a PhD. I'm a high school graduate. In simple terms, I have my answers. They have worked for me. I'm guessing. I think my answers worked for me because I had nothing to lose. Had I have been an accredited expert, with a lot to lose, and one would not tend to wander much, perhaps something is missing.

I'm familiar with quantum physics, the Scriptures, the law in practice, astrology, and politics. Nothing I think is new. The way I put it all together is new. I predict that we are going to think our way out of extinction, and in a way I've yet to hear at Noetic Sciences. I sense a groundswell building in my way of thinking. I've written a book and self-published it. I sent a copy to Noetic Sciences. Receipt has not been acknowledged. I'm guessing my thoughts are of no interest.

The last time that global temperatures rose by three degrees, ocean levels rose by 25 meters over four centuries!

The primary factor that has up until this time protected us from significant and rapid rise in ocean levels is the fact that roughly 293 cubic miles of ice are being ADDED to the central part of Antarctica!

If we want to protect the people of New Orleans, Florida, Bangladesh, The Maldive Islands, Holland and other low lying regions of the earth from becoming climate change refugees we need to talk about producing lots and lots and lots of food, even in the worlds desert regions! Doing this can raise the water table in nations with large deserts. Every cubic meter of water added to the water table of Australia, for example, will NOT end up on top of New Orleans!

We also need to look at how by adding eighty or ninety trace minerals to food we might be able to radically reduce the incidence of cancer, heart disease, stroke, diabetes and even senility??!!

I think that. How the unconcsious mind seems to work. It belives. so when we dream, it can change and without the consciosuness involved, we just belive things. SO it's greatly dependant on images from experience. Thought and reason as much as we give it weight, is not so effective per learned images.
But, the loophole is that, self image. If we culturally, forge a global idea, through maturation of acadamia, and bleeds through to common culture, and media, that, to move from the idea or beleive we are separate from the unvierse, or plurlistic to a monistic, or seeing the world as a single event becomign a norm in self concept culturally. Tha by way of how the unconcsiosu midn works, as the will is gratetly seated there, and also defines and limits how we access our intellgience, insight and filters information, that, as the value of us and them dissolves in the mind and it's adjusted to universe is us, that how we act adn will wil fundamentallly change. The idea of family, albeit had we a child and had no memory, they be a stranger, but so the idea of family has alot to do with the fact tehy are included in the self image. Same with tribal ideas of nation, craft, profession, religion, race. So that we identify such concespt in the self image and thus treat them or will towards them differntly, how we act. We take on the will, collectively, as with nationalism.
But so why culture is to me the most vital aspect to me, of learning.
With the internet, a global culture can be created and identity. SOmetihng not possible before adn also, in the development of societies without mass commmunications to the level there are, civilisatons woudl develope at differnt rates. SO oyud get a somewhat beneficent civilisation adn it's woudl be sacked by a more belligerant force. SO Civilisation were often divided into settled agrarian sicueties and then wandering tribes of warriors....
I came to realze this last year as my studies on mind blossmed alot, through reassesing basic human behavior...and I changed how I call the unconcsious mnd, to that of the beliver. The consciosu mind became sometihng of a tool for adapting when the organism hits a contigeny, so the unconcsious midn was a sort of flower or reprodctive tool, or like fingers to the hand.
Yay. It is an opinion mind you. BUt allowed me to see there is hope....and actual chance of ending the cycle of rise and fall.
This way, as the only way to heal the world is that ther is a collective evolution...and liek cells ina body each aprt is more self autonomus...and less dependant on centrilzation.

If energy never ends, but just changes form, then, why would we become extinct? Let's just keep going on forever!

*K*O*W*A*B*U*N*G*A*!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel a little overwhelmed even trying to express my thoughts on this. First of all, you are all extremely intelligent and express yourselves beautifully. I cannot compare with your abilities but I will express my opinion and hope I can be relevant as well. Here goes.

I believe we are bombarded by information from so many sources that we forget what really touches our souls as truth. Going way back in time and reading the wisdom of the ancients, we will re-member who we are and what we have forgotten. We are made in the image of a higher force which, to me, says that we also embody the ability to control ourselves in a way we formerly thought only God could do. Then we need to decide between light and darkness. Read and remind ourselves of what the light means - compassion; altruism; recognizing ourselves in all; honoring ourselves, others, and the entire world as possessing the same molecules. Acting for good results. Knowing that people through-out the ages have faced, questioned, and realized the same truths we are searching for. Don't search anymore. We all have those abilities and insights. We need to put them in action. I believe that if do this we will progress further and further. Continuing to read is always good but, sometimes, the reading can confuse. Read for knowledge but keep our actions grounded in what we already know. Then let it be. When we stumble, someone or something will appear to help us get back up. And, most importantly to me, do not wait for another generation to pick up the pieces. We have the knowledge and ability now. Use it.
Elaine Kurpiel elaine.kurpiel@gmail.com

Perhaps, I believe so. Well whats the most popular view of the apocalypse? That is Zombies! We been making video games, movies, music videos and books for years all about flesh eating zombies. And now is It a coincidence that In Miami Florida there is a startling report about, or what we would consider a zombie? http://m.gawker.com/5917374/as-miami-zombie-laid-to-rest-autopsy-report-reveals-he-was-no-causeway-cannibal
What do y'all have to say about this event?

Our best thinking got us here?

The problem is not our intellect, which is the masculine half of our human mind, but the feminine half of our mind that we call our emotional intuitive side, and some call the emotional body. Religions' repressions of the Divine Feminine aspect of what we misunderstand as "God" has caused us to assign one half of our mind to the realm of the sub-conscious, which operates below the level of the conscious "waking mind".

We have been taught that everything good or Godly must be masculine. We have been taught to demonize, enslave, control, deny, or at least take advantage of the “weaker” sex and distort the way we see everything feminine
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What if we were to come to realize that the dense part of us we call body is (usually) either masculine or feminine, but our soul is both masculine and feminine? Actually everything is energy and all energy is both masculine and feminine.

What we call our mind is part of our soul and is both masculine and feminine, and these polarities of energy are supposed to work together to achieve a state or condition we call balance, but because of our patriarchal beliefs, they do not.

The splitting of our ego has produced and maintained a state of imbalance we call duality because the feminine emotional intuitive half has been relegated to the realm of the sub-human sub-conscious, and our repression of our emotions and our intuitive abilities keep it trapped there as a combination of the inner child and the shadow self.

These days we think of the mind as the intellect, and the repressed feminine as the heart. We talk about the heart, and at times we try to act from the heart, but do we ever truly think to ask ourselves what the heart is?

Why have we been taught to ridicule and deny anything and everything either meta-physical or feminine? Why do we choose to ignore the greater part of ourselves, and focus only on the point one percent that we experience physically?

I invite you to stop defending your beliefs, and truly contemplate this deeply, for it is a key to the shackles that bind us to the slavery of the sub-human, sub-conscious, altered ego, or what we have been taught to believe as “Satan”.

It is a key to understanding the non-existence of our illusory fears. It is a key to understanding the fears that are generated by false beliefs meant to keep us enslaved through fear, and keep us fighting amongst ourselves because we believe that being “right’ is more important than truth or wisdom.

Can we "think" our way out of extinction? How about we learn to "love" our way out of extinction?

We may possess sufficient cognitive power to implement programs to cause extinction of some forms of life, or perhaps even all of life on this planet. But it is hard to imagine this actually happening, considering the majority must surely prefer it would not.

We are incapable of knowing if any such "extinction" would actually extinguish life, as we do not know where the life within us originates from, nor how, or if it persists, if it is removed from us.

Therefore to speculate on whether or not we could conceive of means to avoid that which we do not even know if we could accomplish, is a fascinating matter.

On reading many of these discussions threads, it becomes clear that a majority of participants even in this audience, hold dearly to the very ideas that have created the potentiality of extinction. The ability to act collectively, cooperatively and collaboratively is admirable, but it is not new, nor to my knowledge, is it found properly articulated herein. The desire is discussed admirably, but the ability appears widely overlooked.

Thinking our way to a means of preventing extinction, is an ideal that does not yet hold the power to cause the needed change, without first our being able to change ourselves individually. If we individually desire communion through a sense of community with each other, then we must first seek communion with the inner intelligence within each of us. We would then collectively be capable of virtually anything, including eliminating any possibility of our extinction.

But most will not do this. History has also proven, most will rather wait for, or point to an expert, a guide, a guru, a "someone else" to be their teacher and their leader. Sadly, our teachers and our leaders have so far also proven incapable, or at best, incompetent.

This propensity for most to be followers rather than collective doers, is a formidable obstacle. Until leaders choose to selflessly teach these followers the true simplicity of life, their self-imagined and otherwise misguided false-complexities will continue to instill that fear which first disables them from knowing themselves, and also from becoming an active part of their community and truly helping the collective.

And until these followers truly sense the simplicity of life, and of what little involvement the community would really require of them, they will continue to be content with passively following the current incompetence. This choice requires no thinking, while the proper choice remains easily veiled by a great many available distractions.

So yes, it is possible for the collective to change its thinking, possibly even to do so with the open intent of preventing extinction. First, we would need to find willing and capable teachers, and second, these would have to nurture a willingness within the masses to accept the true simplicity of life, and to thereby renew or inspire a desire to experience that life for the common goal.

Based on reading what others think - it appears that the majority believe they themselves can think humanity out of extinction. Thinking is what created all this. Thinking about how to manage life and then acting on those thoughts.

What's between our ears is just body tissue. It can't change the world. It can barely survive a century.

I'm aligning with those who took a few sentences to promote loving and feeling our way out of extinction. And not being addicted to living in a body.

I think we can f e e l us out of a possible black future for humanity

HOW? By working on our beliefs, facing and clearing out our fears, insecurities and obsessive actions, by breathing in light, hope, compassion and love. So first inner work, then outer work.

I think all this doom & gloom fixation is a cop out. No, I want to scream it:

I THINK ALL THIS DOOM & GLOOM FIXATION IS A COLOSSAL COP-OUT!!!!!!

IT GIVES US AN EXCUSE TO FEEL POWERLESS AND BEHAVE APATHETICALLY, OR WITH RESIGNATION, THAT WE ARE HEADING FOR APOCALYPSE--THE END OF THE WORLD---IF WE DON'T CHANGE--AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET A GRIP, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, ask WHAT CAN I DO TO BETTER THINGS IN MY WORLD RIGHT NOW, TODAY??????????!!!!!!! QUIT MOPING AROUND, WAITING FOR THE WORLD TO BLOW UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe, instead, REMOVE THE LEAD FROM THE POSTERIOR and START DOING ANYTHING THAT WILL HELP INSTEAD OF SITTING AROUND WHINING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, I will stop yelling. This is brought to you by the sentiment that I am GAZOOOOOOed --plum full--of the folks who will not do anything because the "Mayan calendar is ending in December," so they see no point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What is the saying?: Even if I knew the world would end tomorrow, I would plant a tree today.

Get a shovel. Get started with the tree or clean the nearest barn! GO TEAM! RAH! TISH! BOOM! BAH!

Methinks we thinks too much when it comes to many matters of the mind. Less thinking more observing. Look macro using the Hubble. Look micro using the electron microscope and we see a lot of answers that have been there for a long time. Some are so obvious all one needs in a store bought telescope or microscope to see them. On this planet and in space are bacteria that can survive conditions 10000 times worse than any of us can. If we end up trashing the place so bad we cant sustain or get taken out by well placed asteroid that doesn't completely destroy this planet, life will once again evolve and human beings will once again walk upon its surface. If there is a spiritual component to our existence it is eternal and it will be waiting for us when we get back physically, Nice thing about being a spirit, no sensory organs so you are not aware of time.

The universe is huge No doubt this experiment called life goes on in more places then we can imagine. There may be some differences like in the movie Avatar but it will be the same DNA because all DNA evolves from the same RNA and if we have spirits they are eternal and they will go elsewhere should life no longer be possible here. Not only is the Universe expanding it is accelerating doing it, which means with each passing second, there is less chaos in the Universe. That has a strong smell of intelligent design. Religions have fought over God for centuries while science quietly proves God exists.

I see us with two options. We can keep on speculating and end up exterminating ourselves or maybe or we can keep on learning and by doing so, lessen the chances of chaos putting an end to this physical existence. If we have a spirit we can really learn how it works. If not we can really learn how the universe works and make ourselves eternal. Sounds like a win win to me.

Extinction and end are synonymous, both are gateways to new beginnings. Thus is nature.

I'm not sure the question is so much can we think ourselves out of extinction as, can we avoid emoting ourselves into extinction? We have the intellectual capacity to solve the problems, but humans have a tendency to let emotion and instinct rule their behavior, even in matters of survival and even when they know, at an intellectual level, what needs to be done.

From the standpoint of ethology, a lot of things are clear that humans don't like to admit to, and because they're unwilling to admit to them, those things will never change. Humans still engage in threat displays, and fight over breeding rights, territory, and dominance, the same way other species have done since complex life forms first emerged. We have the intellectual capacity to recognize these instincts and choose not to be ruled by them, but that would mean acknowledging the instinct first, rather than making excuses for it.

We're like the scorpion in the old fable about the scorpion and the frog. The scorpion asks the frog to carry him on his back across the river. At first, the frog refuses -- he doesn't want to be stung to death by a deadly scorpion. But the scorpion says, "Why would I sting you? It would make no sense. If I did, I'd drown along with you." This logic persuades the frog, who allows the scorpion to climb on his back. But in the middle of the river, the scorpion stings the frog. As he begins to sink, the frog asks, "Why did you do that? You can't swim. Now we're both going to drown!" "I know," says the scorpion sadly, "And I'm sorry, but I couldn't help myself -- it's my nature."

Ahh, its a good and important question.
I spent 41 years thinkign for a solution to tribalism and the fractures that are a denouement of natural experience as a individual, that is just culture at one level. My initial conclusion was that, the problem has to do with culture and language, as the universe is language basically.
I saw that, values derive from how we see ourselves. That, if we taught children at a very young age, merely with emphasis on one area of learning, that we are part of one event, a point in that event. But idea being, as now we are brought up as being separate from nature, and either victims or predators and trained to comare and entroduced to western merit system, which compounds the issue.
But, were we from birth merely given the cultural viiew that we part of it, no real change in learning, just emphasis, would that change values naturally and passively, as how we interpret and see our eviorments would change....as how we saw ourselves changed....to me cultural self concept, is like firmware.
But point being. I though this was a solution, as it allowed for no intervention to the will and would produce more self autonomy, theoretically, more social responsibility and less tribaism, and more environmental resposivness. It was the only solution after studying human learning and history. How a mysitic sees things rather than a academic. We'd be more intellgient as we'd rely more open, more tendentious to forging relationships rather than being as mechaincal and rote wonting as the system is today.
Now. I am rethinking things.
We are a natural event. That it might be best to just improve ourselves best we can. So much of world problems were solutions.
That so much of human suffering is fear of suffering, the need for control.
Why do we need any particular end? To desire is to destroy freedom as well being has alot to do with psychological autonomy and authority.
Is the fear of self extermination the cause of self extermination and if we are not motivated by unconditional love which comes from personal freedom, then all our solutions will have the seed of fear in them and thus tain the solution.
In that, I questioned, after 41 years of study, my answer and now work on being ok with whatevr happens and just working on embracing now and acting in now and whatever I do, I try to stay now. Then I feel when something can be done, I will have all my resources available to act on it.
So but I guess, I was obsessed with this question all my life and came to an answer that was not unreasonable, but is it right?
Now i see the prob is with me. I was being and egg head.
The answer is, I don't know. In the mean time I work on me and working to be involved in my community in a positive way and teaching by example albeit I seem to be writing alot......still.
Just my thoughts as, its been the drive of my life since 4 year old to find a solution and I have spent my life on it.

From the summary provided, it seems that "The Watchman's Rattle" is based on the idea that our brains are hard-wired according to genetic blueprints. But the old debate on 'nature v. nurture' provides plenty of evidence that our experiences also play a vital role in the wirinng process. This is now supported by extensive work on epigenetics. The networks of neural connections in our brains go through at least three cycles of growth followed by pruning during childhood. The connections that we use are retained and strengthened, and those that we don't use are lost. Thus, our childhood experiences play a large part in determining how we respond to the world emotionally, intellectually and behaviourally.

In her classic book, "The Chalice and the Blade", Riane Eisler first drew attention to the cultural discontinuity that occurred at the dawn of civilization. The earlier peaceful, cooperative, 'partnership' hunter-gatherer and farming societies were replaced by the warlike, competitive 'dominator' societies that are with us still. More recently, Steve Taylor argued in "The Fall" that this discontinuity was due to an ego explosion; and James DeMeo in "Saharasia" attributed it to the trauma of desertification and the resultant conflict over shrinking resources. In our own book (Hope for Humanity: How understanding and healing trauma could solve the planetary crisis) we argue that the crisis of civilization is due to trauma - both inherited from our ancestors, and contemporary. While some people are transformed by their traumatic experiences, the majority are not, and often suffer a lifetime of physical, mental and/or emotional difficulties. We believe our violent, competitive society, and our addictions to consumerism, alcohol, drugs and foods are attributable to trauma. Until we tackle trauma, we will not be able to resolve humanity's problems.

Having said that,even if we heal or prevent all trauma, we will not be able to think our way out of our problems by current methods. The complex and chaotic nature of reality means that it is, and will remain, impossible to reliably predict and control the behaviour of natural and cultural systems. The only way out that I can see is to abandon the mechanistic, materialist scientific worldview and move towards a way of thinking and seeing reality that integrates science and spirituality; that releases our addiction to information and balances knowledge with wisdom. I argued this case in depth in my earlier book "The Science of Oneness: A worldview for the twenty-first century."

For further information, including extracts and summaries of our books, and a free eBook overview of our ideas see Human Solutions Now (http://www.humansolutionsnow.com/)

In our recent book, "Hope for Humanity: How understanding and healing trauma could solve the planetary crisis", my wife and I argue that

What enabled us to move from primitive primates like Bonobos to the creative beings we are now was our use of dreams for our creativity, health and relationships, and to avoid foreseen problems and dangers. Look at the best examples of our current creativity (Einstein, Edison, Tesla, Frankin, Bell etc) and you can see how a few inspired people have pushed humanity ahead, while others simply copied their efforts (like the 100th monkey) for lesser yet worthy successes. My objective is to push humanity to far greater achievements their dreams are inspiring them to create and do. The keys to it are in books I've written. http://www.pacificway.org/printsofpeace.pdf The achievements will include changes in technology which will enable us to travel to distant solar systems, even in our lifetimes.

I consider myself an eco-pessimist. I believe humanity might very well consume itself out of existence. If global warming goes beyond a certain point, and the wa things are doing, it might very well happen, the temperature of oceans might rise to the pnt when oceanic currents will just stop. That would create conditions that would bring the proliferation of certain marine plants that will spew toxic fumes in the atmosphere that will likely bring a massive extinction on earth.
Still, i am making my part to try to diminish my ecological footprint . I don't think we can '' think '' our way out of this. We will also have to act on our thinking. And time is short. There are too many people unwilling to see the dangers humanity is facing, and too many people opposing actively the steps that would ensure that we don't go the way of the dinosaurs.

There is no possibility that the Human Race will become extinct unless each and every Human, ever, decides it should be so. As to 'thinking our way out....', thought is the minor part of the equation and, alone, has no effect.

Thoughts have energy. I know this from my own Noetic experience which divined upon me the insight that a massive, collective thought created the universe, or, in infinite multiverse theory ... all the universes. The question of "What came first? Thought or existence?" goes to the very heart of "I think, therefore I am." It is always a conundrum when ethereal noetic experience meets physical pragmatism. The very core of our nature is to take action, solve problems and institute positive change for the betterment of all and challenge elite hierarchies seeking solely to benefit themselves. I'm hoping that a framework for how best to implement 'positive thought energy' is somewhere to be found here at IONs. I just joined so I don't know. The most important axioms for such a "mind / body / spirit" road map would be how does one construct an axiom where the desire itself to construct it may be the Achilles heal?

Making no choice or change is a choice or change in itself. That is all that is necessary. Let It Be.

Instead of trying to change what is, we need to accept the changes that come as they come and pass no judgement on them as good or bad because it is our judgement of the change that will ultimately dictate our perception of it. Observe it, but do not try to perceive it one way or another.

Music begins to speak where words end:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdopMqrftXs

Yes, we can most definitely think our way out of extinction, in fact we are being presented with the means of how to do with the divinely inspired movements like IONS and the Intention Experiement. However, intent from individuals will not be enough. For us to take the next step in evolution and take advantage of this unique point in history requires a shift in the mass consciousness, initiated by a critical mass number (777,000) of individuals changing the way they think. The Know Thyself Initiative on the triple7center web site is exactly created for this purpose, as it practically applies the Ancient Mysteries. The Ancient Mysteries have survived for thousands of years, because its proponents, the wisdom teachers knew that the Mysteries could not be fully applied until Humanity had evolved to the point where the collective subconscious had become self-aware into an awakening mass consciousness. With the development of Social Networking and the Internet we have arrived at that point. The next step is for those most aware to join together with the same simple message that each individual in the world has to choose between the status quo, which will lead to destruction and reaching for the future with endless unimagined possibilities. If this resonates with any of you please consider that you may be a member or facilitator for the Know Thyself Initiative born specifically for this moment.

Hi to all,

The original question was “can we think our way out of extinction”, but who are the we? We as humans or we as a society?

We are not on a path to survive as a society and every day, news are there to remind this to us. The reason of this is simple : true power in society lies in Money and only Money. In Gold we trust. We, as a society, would first need to implement real laws to control Capital internationally, even in fiscal paradise. I could elaborate a lot on the subject but not on this forum.

We as humans can survive by “cultivating the power of insight” and by learning to focus on real important issues in Life. We, as humans, have the capacity to survive because yes, “the most powerful wireless computer” is indeed the human brain. Physics has taught us that parallels worlds exists and we, as humans, have a real access to these worlds.

A new world is about to be born, but giving birth is rarely without pain and hence we, as a society, will soon experience major disasters. To the original question can we, as a society, think our way out of extinction, my answer is then yes, by leaning to think correctly, as humans.

E.W. Aweel

yes i think humans can avoid extinction.. we have tremendous power in our thoughts which i believe can change the outlook of our world.If we concentrate and use the power of mind effectively we can avoid extinction. the answer to this question lies in our own mind and physical world combined....

Yes, we can not only think our way out of extinction, we can practically realize our way...

The fundamental problem is that we actually think that we will become extinct. According to ancient wisdom this is a major fallacy. Rather the vedic literatures explain that: "Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, ...; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be." It is a fact that the body is sure to age, get diseased, die and take rebirth again, but when we think or identify that we are just the material body (or material mind) then we are subject to extinction. We are wired so closely with the body that we mistaken our real identity with that of the temporary body, we experience the pains and pleasures of this temporary existence, although we are actually not subject to extinction or the sufferings of this world. It is just like a man driving a car and when someone bumps into his car, he thinks "Oh, I've been hit" and experiences displeasure. Actually he has not become hurt, but because he identifies so closely with the car, he thinks now I am extinct. Our real identity however is not subject to extinction or any other suffering like disease, old-age and rebirth.

By the process of self realization we can come to the realization, not just thinking, but practically that we a distinct spiritual entity separate from the material body...as so many people on this forum actually experience by various ways, including the founder. Then one can really experience happiness. This is the real use of our human endeavor, to come to this thinking/platform.

And its not that it isnt scientific. Actually this truth of human DEvolution (http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/MACremo1.php?p=1) is far more noetic and closer to science and reality than the awkward human evolution theory which when you get down to it simply perpetuates the ignorance of the self.

Questions of eschatology have often come up in all human cultures. Ours is no different. The more mystical interpretations found here, speak of the end of ordinary reality, whereas the traditional religions prophesied an actual future event which translates into an end of days.

Beyond the mere ending of an Age, as in Mayan prophesy, the question posited here is more based upon the Doomsday argument, or Carter Catastrophe where human population cannot expand infinitely without a collapse. All kinds of extinction events on our planet with various animals, have demonstrated that simple model. Can we think our way out of something which is already underway?

IMO, No. We do have free will, and as most members here can attest, our consciousness and collective consciousness do mold and shape this physical reality we are in for a short time.
But time is the key. This latest human program has been running for several thousand years now and has gained momentum and direction. Think of it like a river. One with a beginning and end.
We are trapped upon the river, flowing along in our human boats, able to change directions and even push against the current for a time, but we cannot change the path of the river. The more self aware in our cultures have looked ahead both seeing and hearing the roar of the great fall.
We can only hope, that the fall is beyond our short lifespan.

I believe that we will LOVE our way out of extinction. When we choose to remember that we were first beings of light before we were ever dense beings of matter--trapped in this illusion which our egos and logical minds have created. Our light will never become extinguished, although expression of it may take billions of different forms, it is always and infinitely connected to its SOURCE!

Oddly enough, I've been debating this exact question on H+ Magazine in relation to transhuman sciences. Basically I am of the belief that humanity as a whole is going to have to attain higher consciousness in order to cope with our changing world. Human augmentation, nanotechnology, VR and genetic manipulation are soon going to become realities, and as people flock to these technologies, it is going to require a lot of soul-searching to overcome the next evolution of man, which I believe will be an intellectual and spiritual evolution in nature.

drquantum I am dr Lynn Sereda, ph. in Ed Psych, UC Berkeley late 60's, thesis on the effects of deep relaxation and meditation on learning. I just completed a 2vol ebook go to quantumyou.com. And am about to submit a less scholarly for the mass public version - to Namaste Publications Eckhardt Tolle's publisher, entitled, 'Grow You Inner Wisdom to the Max', complete with how to illustrations by noted children's book author Amy Cordova. On how to support our nervous system to grow us into the positively beyond even our wildest dreams Brilliance's we were all designed / evolved to be. My huge thesis is that when we look to our internal operating system, there are 3 main sub operating systems, our feeling & emotional, our so called rational / logical, and our hearts, the very core central most sensitive processing unit, which allow us to integrate our nervous system into a whole field of pure whole being present - awareness. And it's all about supporting ourselves to open all of these aspects of our solution generative capacity, all at once in harmonic unison together, to the max. Which is what I do my best to reveal to people, based on '9' protocols or aspects of our greater awareness within. '3' to grow our feeling and emotional or fully awake to 'life focre' intelligence to the max; '3' to grow our rational / logical intelligence all the way up into a process we refer to as supra logical holographic, all 4 hemispheres 100% lit up all at once 'insighting', as opposed to mere 'thinking' mind alone; and '3' to fully awaken our hearts, as the most integrally sensitive means we have within us to help us, to integrate both halves of our brain together into a single whole being true found sense of brilliance. So my answer is, no we are not likely to be able to 'think' our way out of extinction, but yes we can learn to way more holographically 'insight' our way out of extinction, plus plus, plus. To the point of being enabled to manifest real prosperity and abundance, a true found sense of: 'love of life'; big mind open solution generative inventive 'liberty'; and real actualized 'happiness. The moment a significant majority of us agree to learn how to operate the whole of our full-on mobilized inner wisdom - to the max. Incidentally you can learn more about how I propose we can all do this, by going to my webtalkradio.net show and tuning into my ongoing broadcasts under the title 'Your Quantum Computer Within'. Ho! Let's get ourselves together and kick some ha new man/woman all together - butt!

A "thank you" to Neon for reminding us that changes in the quality or quantity of information cannot, by themselves, save us from extinction.

What we need to do to think our way out of extinction, and to avoid approaching extinction ever again, is to acknowledge our own capabilities which, from my personal experience, include the ability to comprehend each other's feelings, images and intentions -- to comprehend noumena, "objects of intuition that can be apprehended by the intellect only and not by the senses" (from the Greek word 'noein', to conceive. And hence the word 'noetic').(Reference: Funk & Wagnalls Standard College Dictionary, 1963)

I hate this paragraph arrangement system! Someone please change it!

To those interested in my comment, please scroll down to the last comment and read them starting from the bottom. Thank you.

If humanity is to survive—and yes, we must think our way out of extinction—we will have to find a way to deal with all of the exformation we are currently drowning in. We will all need to submit to a dialysis of sorts to cleanse us of all of this toxic exformation until a new liver; our ability to manage its filtration successfully comes online.

What chance do you all have?

Ha! Are you kidding me?

Until today, you didn’t even have a word for the excrement that is poisoning you!

It is not information that we are drowning in. We are drowning in exformation!

For example, religion is an information system designed to answer the ultimate spiritual question. The information communicated at different stages in the development and evolution of human consciousness reflected the ability of the avatars of that particular stage to communicate an answer compatible with the stage of consciousness of the general populace. From the Archaic, through the Magic, and onto the Mythic stage of consciousness, the information given matched the comprehension of the general masses at that stage of consciousness.

Now that humans have advanced to the cognitive stage of consciousness, this information is no longer relevant. It is now EXFORMATION; obsolete information that needs to be gathered and stored (and forgotten). Those who have had a serious doubt about religion have developed many an original thought regarding it, but the memory of religious exformation is still so strong among humans that it is literally killing us with its toxins.

For another example, it is not the information provided by Isaac Newton that needs to be stored and forgotten, it is the exformation, which he himself suggested the information pointed to. It is the mythic belief in a clockwork universe whose spring was originally wound by a mythical god, which needs to be stored and then forgotten.

In the distant future it will not be the information provided by David Bohm that will need to be recognized as being obsolete, but it will be the mystical connections that he made to this information, because of the mystical states of consciousness he personally experienced that gave the information such a suggestive flavor. On some distant date, the exformation of quantum science will need to be stored and then forgotten.

“Before you can have an original thought, you must have a serious doubt”. –Leon Night

The fact that so many people today recognize the collective dilemma we face, and appear to have so many creative solutions, suggest that we are able and willing to think our way out of extinction. These “cultural creatives” are awash with interesting new concepts, some of which reflect closely the great potential of the human spirit. We are not lacking the information we need to survive. Original thoughts are everywhere!

What we are lacking is the ability to forget. Humanity needs to experience a stressful period of serious doubt—a crisis, which begs us to reconsider all of our individual beliefs, and to jettison our most cherished belief systems.

Our ability to gather and store information today has become so great that we consider this the Information Age. Our inability to gather and store exformation; the unnecessary tailings of the process of learning, is lagging so far behind the former that until today your mind didn’t even have a word for it!

One of the most interesting ideas in the book, The User Illusion by Tor Norretranders, is the ability to deal with EXFORMATION. This is the ability—the necessity—of consciousness to forget.

The limitations of human consciousness have created many subconscious habits. One of these habits is to prune the branches of a tree of thought down into a more manageable trunk, which consciousness can then get a handle on—one which suggests the image of the original tree, but no longer contains the detail. We naturally package this image of the original information into what’s called a belief. This belief then develops into a belief system, and this belief system then propagates through the ages infecting new generations of humans with its toxic exformation.

My own life experiences and observations have indicated to me that the most powerful wireless computer to which a human will ever have access, in terms of storage capacity, processing capability, sophistication, peripheral supports and links to other computers is the one between his or her ears. Each of us is an integral part of the Natural Information System whose hardware and software comprise what we perceive as the Universe.
The basis of an information system is the sharing and processing of information and ideas. The essential components are a Central Processing Unit (CPU) for processing information, and Communication Channels for sharing information. Peripheral systems are available for capturing, storing, retrieving and displaying various types of information. There are two kinds of information systems: Fabricated (i.e. man-made) and Natural (inborn in living entities). The astounding developments in fabricated information systems has drawn attention to parallel capabilities, capacities and portability of the Natural Information System (NIS). A cursory assessment of the NIS indicates that the quantity, quality and speed of information shared wirelessly within the Natural Information System far exceed those of any communication system ever fabricated.
A primary reason for many people to deny and reject the concept of the NIS seems to be because we haven’t yet come up with a name for, or a means of measuring, the wireless information exchanges taking place within the system, even though many of us occasionally become aware of them. “Information exchanges between resonant quantum holograms” for a name is cumbersome and limiting. As an honors graduate in electrical engineering, I worked with the generation, transmission and distribution of electricity and with applications of electricity in telecommunications and radio broadcasting. But, beyond a few inadequate and mutually-exclusive definitions, I still don’t know what electricity is. Thank goodness we gave it a name and developed ways to measure it, otherwise we might still be in denial about its existence.
I suggest that humans beings compulsively follow the same pattern of collapse again and again and again (Ref: Rebecca Costa: “The Watchman’s Rattle”) because we fail to acknowledge the capabilities of the human organism itself. I suggest that the rate at which the human brain can evolve creative faculties is faster, not slower, than the rate at which humans generate change and produce new information. (ibid) Having access to the accumulated and socially uncluttered knowledge and wisdom of an extra generation, my children have much greater creative abilities than did I at their age. All we need to do to think our way out of extinction, and to avoid approaching extinction ever again, is to acknowledge our own capabilities which, in my opinion, include our part of the Natural Information System.